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If there are no credible consequences for unsafe practices, they will continue. If Boeing believes their planes will never be grounded unless they kill hundreds

by lmm 3y ago

If there are no credible consequences for unsafe practices, they will continue. If Boeing believes their planes will never be grounded unless they kill hundreds of Americans, sooner or later they will kill hundreds of Americans. (We already know from the Max 8 that killing hundreds of foreigners isn't enough to get the FAA to ground an American plane, at least not until it happens multiple times). A poorly installed door plug may be a one-off mistake. Missing required documentation on the installation of that door plug is a more serious systemic issue. Failing to cooperate with a safety investigation is an even deeper rot. If that's not something that should result in aircraft grounding then what is? Genuine question - how bad does it have to get?

datavirtue 3y ago
We clearly have all our eggs in one basket when nearly everyone is hesitant to enact common sense measures like grounding every commercial Boeing plane in service--at least on a rotation. Air traffic would grind to a halt. I wouldn't want to be responsible for that either. Especially when it's the friends of all the grey-hairs at GE, Boeing, and every major airline that have to make the call.
- TylerE 3y ago
  The max fleet had already been grounded multiple times, the world did not end.
  - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
    It was only for a few days, and it was extremely impactful. This was only the 737-MAX fleet that was grounded, which is primarily used for regional routes. The MAX is never used or configured for cargo at this moment. More importantly, this was only the MAX generation of the 737 fleet. Only ~15% of all 737s in service. I interpreted the poster as suggesting that we ground all Boeing commercial airplanes. If they just meant the 737 MAX fleet, I still think this would be unproductive now that the acute MCAS issue has been addressed, but it's not as ludicrous as grounding ~60% of the world's airplanes.
- shiroiushi 3y ago
  They don't need to ground every commercial Boeing aircraft, only the ones that are affected. Most Boeing planes still flying aren't that new. The 767s and 777s all seem fine. Just ground the 737MAX and the SC-built Dreamliners.

by lmm 3y ago

datavirtue 3y ago

We clearly have all our eggs in one basket when nearly everyone is hesitant to enact common sense measures like grounding every commercial Boeing plane in service--at least on a rotation. Air traffic would grind to a halt. I wouldn't want to be responsible for that either. Especially when it's the friends of all the grey-hairs at GE, Boeing, and every major airline that have to make the call.

TylerE 3y ago
The max fleet had already been grounded multiple times, the world did not end.
- DiggyJohnson 3y ago
  It was only for a few days, and it was extremely impactful. This was only the 737-MAX fleet that was grounded, which is primarily used for regional routes. The MAX is never used or configured for cargo at this moment. More importantly, this was only the MAX generation of the 737 fleet. Only ~15% of all 737s in service. I interpreted the poster as suggesting that we ground all Boeing commercial airplanes. If they just meant the 737 MAX fleet, I still think this would be unproductive now that the acute MCAS issue has been addressed, but it's not as ludicrous as grounding ~60% of the world's airplanes.
shiroiushi 3y ago
They don't need to ground every commercial Boeing aircraft, only the ones that are affected. Most Boeing planes still flying aren't that new. The 767s and 777s all seem fine. Just ground the 737MAX and the SC-built Dreamliners.