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There’s no way the EU allows Apple’s interpretation of the DMA after they did this, Apple really made a mistake here. As you say, how can you be sure that alter

There’s no way the EU allows Apple’s interpretation of the DMA after they did this, Apple really made a mistake here. As you say, how can you be sure that alternative app stores won’t just be booted off by Apple for $REASON?

lnxg33k1 3y ago
Made a mistake, why? They either comply right away, or just pretend to be deaf with their own interpretation, make Epic sue them again, pull the situation for a few years keep profiting off developers with their 30% rent, maybe at the end of it the EU will fine them some peanut and the rest is just profit, can’t understand what the mistake is here
- andyferris 3y ago
  The potential fines aren’t peanuts. From memory, they are up to like 12% on global annual revenue (not profit), or something.
  - lnxg33k1 3y ago
    Ah didn’t know it, that would be cool, fingers crossed
mike_d 3y ago
> how can you be sure that alternative app stores won’t just be booted off by Apple for $REASON? The EU law allows for consumers to sideload other app stores on hardware they control. It has no provision that compels Apple to continue doing business with a company in their own app store. Yes, it is a business decision you need to make to offer a sideload app store and opt-out of the Apple app store. Does it suck for Epic? Yes. But this is the path they chose. Edit: If you read the Apple letter Epic cites it refers to App Store Review Guidelines, clearly they are terminating an App Store developer account. Nothing stops Apple from minting a fresh Developer Account with only Marketplace capabilities if they apply for a Marketplace account.
- wilg 3y ago
  Epic is unable to make their own app store without a developer account.
  - mike_d 3y ago
    It is unclear exactly what Epic lost access to, but you can have access to the CIP section required to get a certificate with an Alternative Marketplace entitlement without having access to the App Store Connection section which allows you to publish to the App Store.
- nar001 3y ago
  That's not how things work, you can only make an alternative app store with Apple's consent, not without. Deleting Epic's dev account means they can't make an alternative app store.
  - dwaite 3y ago
    Alternative app marketplaces are required to accept an agreement including payment terms to Apple. It is still a business relationship in Apple's DMA implementation.
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  app store =/= developer account
Narkov 3y ago
Just need some context here...one of the biggest companies in the world, ever, with all the financial and legal resources available to them, and you think they aren't playing 5D chess?

lnxg33k1 3y ago

Made a mistake, why? They either comply right away, or just pretend to be deaf with their own interpretation, make Epic sue them again, pull the situation for a few years keep profiting off developers with their 30% rent, maybe at the end of it the EU will fine them some peanut and the rest is just profit, can’t understand what the mistake is here

andyferris 3y ago
The potential fines aren’t peanuts. From memory, they are up to like 12% on global annual revenue (not profit), or something.
- lnxg33k1 3y ago
  Ah didn’t know it, that would be cool, fingers crossed

mike_d 3y ago

> how can you be sure that alternative app stores won’t just be booted off by Apple for $REASON? The EU law allows for consumers to sideload other app stores on hardware they control. It has no provision that compels Apple to continue doing business with a company in their own app store. Yes, it is a business decision you need to make to offer a sideload app store and opt-out of the Apple app store. Does it suck for Epic? Yes. But this is the path they chose. Edit: If you read the Apple letter Epic cites it refers to App Store Review Guidelines, clearly they are terminating an App Store developer account. Nothing stops Apple from minting a fresh Developer Account with only Marketplace capabilities if they apply for a Marketplace account.

wilg 3y ago
Epic is unable to make their own app store without a developer account.
- mike_d 3y ago
  It is unclear exactly what Epic lost access to, but you can have access to the CIP section required to get a certificate with an Alternative Marketplace entitlement without having access to the App Store Connection section which allows you to publish to the App Store.
nar001 3y ago
That's not how things work, you can only make an alternative app store with Apple's consent, not without. Deleting Epic's dev account means they can't make an alternative app store.
- dwaite 3y ago
  Alternative app marketplaces are required to accept an agreement including payment terms to Apple. It is still a business relationship in Apple's DMA implementation.
anigbrowl 3y ago
app store =/= developer account

Narkov 3y ago

Just need some context here...one of the biggest companies in the world, ever, with all the financial and legal resources available to them, and you think they aren't playing 5D chess?