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Genocide:The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group. Explain how the country that

by hersko 3y ago

Genocide:The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group. Explain how the country that does roof-knocks[1], phone calls[2], and has literally driven its own people out of Gaza[3] in an attempt for peace is attempting to exterminate Palestinians. Learn what words mean before using them. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/world/middleeast/gaza-invasion-israel-cellphone-data.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/world/middleeast/gaza-inv... [3] https://www.britannica.com/event/Israels-disengagement-from-Gaza https://www.britannica.com/event/Israels-disengagement-from-...

henry2023 3y ago
Thank you for the definition. Isn’t this precisely what’s happening in Gaza? Even the ICJ ordered Israel to take steps to prevent any acts of genocide in Gaza. Do they also don’t know the definition of the word?
- hersko 3y ago
  The court did not say that Israel is committing genocide. It didn't even require a ceasefire. Do you not know what "preventing" or "committing" mean either?
  - henry2023 3y ago
    Why do you think it asked Israel to prevent acts of Genocide instead of asking both sides of preventing acts of Genocide? Do you believe that if there’s no suspicion that acts of Genocide are being committed by the IDF the court could have emitted such ruling? I’m not trying to fight in here. You don’t need to be condescending this is not reddit my friend.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Why do you think it asked Israel to prevent acts of Genocide instead of asking both sides of preventing acts of Genocide? Hamas explicitly calls for the destruction of Israel and Jews. Nobody has any doubts around what they would do if they had military supremacy. The ICJ won’t order them to not commit acts of genocide because they aren’t the object of South Africa’s complaint. (I also don’t believe they fall under ICJ jurisdiction, being a non-state actor.)
    - hersko 3y ago
      I apologize for my tone, this is something i am passionate about. Hamas has always been pretty open about their intent for genocide[1]. The ICJ had a specific case brought by a specific country on specific charges against Israel. The ICJ ruled against them. Israel is in the middle of a bloody war in an urban environment filled with civilians. Of course Israel should follow the rules of war and try to limit civilian casualties, which is what the preventing acts of genocide was about. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/ha...
jiggawatts 3y ago
You’re being unfairly downvoted. The word genocide has been overused in this conflict. Genocide means an intent to erase a people, which is a hard point to argue when Gaza’s population has doubled in the last two decades under this supposed “erasure”.
- ivan_gammel 3y ago
  Regardless of definition of genocide, how population growth in Gaza in the past is related to systematic murdering of civilians we observe now?
  - hersko 3y ago
    > systematic murdering of civilians If Israel wanted to systematically murder civilians there would be a lot more dead. What you are seeing is the result of a terrorist organization hiding among civilians (human shields) while waging a war dressed as civilians (a war crime).
    - ivan_gammel 3y ago
      Again faulty logic. Their capability to kill more does not imply that they would use it or there could not be systematic murder if they don’t use the full firepower. What I see is not just Hamas hiding among civilians (this is true and this is a war crime), but also what you conveniently ignore: systematic disregard of human life by Israel and ignorance of the duty to protect innocent lives. Some token actions to show for the press (all those „phone calls“) do not qualify as such. What Israel should have done but did not: evacuate the entire population of Gaza to its own territory, ensure protection of human rights, guarantee access to food, healthcare and education.
      - fngjdflmdflg 3y ago
        Does disregard of human life qualify as genocide? Did the US disregard the human lives of Japanese people in the Japanese war or the Vietnamese people in the Vietnam war and if so Were those acts genocide?

by hersko 3y ago

henry2023 3y ago

Thank you for the definition. Isn’t this precisely what’s happening in Gaza? Even the ICJ ordered Israel to take steps to prevent any acts of genocide in Gaza. Do they also don’t know the definition of the word?

hersko 3y ago
The court did not say that Israel is committing genocide. It didn't even require a ceasefire. Do you not know what "preventing" or "committing" mean either?
- henry2023 3y ago
  Why do you think it asked Israel to prevent acts of Genocide instead of asking both sides of preventing acts of Genocide? Do you believe that if there’s no suspicion that acts of Genocide are being committed by the IDF the court could have emitted such ruling? I’m not trying to fight in here. You don’t need to be condescending this is not reddit my friend.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Why do you think it asked Israel to prevent acts of Genocide instead of asking both sides of preventing acts of Genocide? Hamas explicitly calls for the destruction of Israel and Jews. Nobody has any doubts around what they would do if they had military supremacy. The ICJ won’t order them to not commit acts of genocide because they aren’t the object of South Africa’s complaint. (I also don’t believe they fall under ICJ jurisdiction, being a non-state actor.)
  - hersko 3y ago
    I apologize for my tone, this is something i am passionate about. Hamas has always been pretty open about their intent for genocide[1]. The ICJ had a specific case brought by a specific country on specific charges against Israel. The ICJ ruled against them. Israel is in the middle of a bloody war in an urban environment filled with civilians. Of course Israel should follow the rules of war and try to limit civilian casualties, which is what the preventing acts of genocide was about. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/ha...

jiggawatts 3y ago

You’re being unfairly downvoted. The word genocide has been overused in this conflict. Genocide means an intent to erase a people, which is a hard point to argue when Gaza’s population has doubled in the last two decades under this supposed “erasure”.

ivan_gammel 3y ago
Regardless of definition of genocide, how population growth in Gaza in the past is related to systematic murdering of civilians we observe now?
- hersko 3y ago
  > systematic murdering of civilians If Israel wanted to systematically murder civilians there would be a lot more dead. What you are seeing is the result of a terrorist organization hiding among civilians (human shields) while waging a war dressed as civilians (a war crime).
  - ivan_gammel 3y ago
    Again faulty logic. Their capability to kill more does not imply that they would use it or there could not be systematic murder if they don’t use the full firepower. What I see is not just Hamas hiding among civilians (this is true and this is a war crime), but also what you conveniently ignore: systematic disregard of human life by Israel and ignorance of the duty to protect innocent lives. Some token actions to show for the press (all those „phone calls“) do not qualify as such. What Israel should have done but did not: evacuate the entire population of Gaza to its own territory, ensure protection of human rights, guarantee access to food, healthcare and education.
    - fngjdflmdflg 3y ago
      Does disregard of human life qualify as genocide? Did the US disregard the human lives of Japanese people in the Japanese war or the Vietnamese people in the Vietnam war and if so Were those acts genocide?