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30k dead (from Hamas source) including at least 10k terrorists over a population of 2.2M is nowhere close to a genocide. Only hamas supporters are claiming it's

30k dead (from Hamas source) including at least 10k terrorists over a population of 2.2M is nowhere close to a genocide. Only hamas supporters are claiming it's a genocide.

henry2023 3y ago
Half of that population was already displaced and lack basic services such as food, shelter, and electricity. Israel even goes to bomb civilian shelters because why not. I’m glad you’re not being targeted by any genocide but if you would. I’d stand for you.
- js4ever 3y ago
  Hamas (elected government of Palestine) started a war on October 7. Did they expected no retaliation? Jews should just die silently? Not really going to happen. As anywhere else in the world, response to this kind of attack Is a war. When terrorists use shelters or any civilian infrastructure to launch rockets they are turning them In legitimate targets according to laws of wars.
  - 0xcde4c3db 3y ago
    > Hamas (elected government of Palestine) My understanding is that Hamas candidates won a plurality of seats in an election in 2006, then Hamas essentially started a civil war in which it rejected the legitimacy of Fatah (and, by extension, the internationally-recognized leadership of the Palestinian Authority) and seized control of the Gaza Strip for itself. It does not rule the West Bank, where the majority of Palestinians live. I would not describe that as the "elected government of Palestine". Am I misunderstanding something?
hmcq6 3y ago
Geneva Convention - article II: > In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole *or in part*, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: > (a) Killing members of the group; > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or *in part*; > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
- js4ever 3y ago
  So all the points in your list are qualifying October 7 attack from Hamas on Israel as a genocide attempt. I agree with you. Response to that is a war.
  - kurthr 3y ago
    Please Justify at least 2 points: (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Seriously, think about what "just" war and multiple % civilian deaths mean, then for people who believe in New World Order / Great Replacement, why isn't this justification for the holocaust rather than the defense of Israel? I get the anger, but not the rationale.
- underdeserver 3y ago
  By that definition anyone who's ever committed a hate crime had also committed genocide.

30k dead (from Hamas source) including at least 10k terrorists over a population of 2.2M is nowhere close to a genocide. Only hamas supporters are claiming it's a genocide.

henry2023 3y ago

Half of that population was already displaced and lack basic services such as food, shelter, and electricity. Israel even goes to bomb civilian shelters because why not. I’m glad you’re not being targeted by any genocide but if you would. I’d stand for you.

js4ever 3y ago
Hamas (elected government of Palestine) started a war on October 7. Did they expected no retaliation? Jews should just die silently? Not really going to happen. As anywhere else in the world, response to this kind of attack Is a war. When terrorists use shelters or any civilian infrastructure to launch rockets they are turning them In legitimate targets according to laws of wars.
- 0xcde4c3db 3y ago
  > Hamas (elected government of Palestine) My understanding is that Hamas candidates won a plurality of seats in an election in 2006, then Hamas essentially started a civil war in which it rejected the legitimacy of Fatah (and, by extension, the internationally-recognized leadership of the Palestinian Authority) and seized control of the Gaza Strip for itself. It does not rule the West Bank, where the majority of Palestinians live. I would not describe that as the "elected government of Palestine". Am I misunderstanding something?

hmcq6 3y ago

Geneva Convention - article II: > In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole *or in part*, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: > (a) Killing members of the group; > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or *in part*; > (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; > (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

js4ever 3y ago
So all the points in your list are qualifying October 7 attack from Hamas on Israel as a genocide attempt. I agree with you. Response to that is a war.
- kurthr 3y ago
  Please Justify at least 2 points: (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Seriously, think about what "just" war and multiple % civilian deaths mean, then for people who believe in New World Order / Great Replacement, why isn't this justification for the holocaust rather than the defense of Israel? I get the anger, but not the rationale.
underdeserver 3y ago
By that definition anyone who's ever committed a hate crime had also committed genocide.