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The sentiment I was responding to was that Swift is only good for making Apple UIs, which is patently false. Again, newer languages having less of an ecosystem

The sentiment I was responding to was that Swift is only good for making Apple UIs, which is patently false. Again, newer languages having less of an ecosystem than older languages is not news or somehow unique to Apple (or Microsoft by that matter). The existence of more mature languages than whichever one you're considering is not news - if it was, then nobody would start any project in anything other than like three languages. And as I mentioned there is a gigantic ecosystem that Swift and several others have access to by design, which for some reason people refuse to acknowledge whenever they shut down newer languages with "but no ecosystem". > Microsoft is discovering how hard it is to take .NET outside Windows Ten years ago you would have had a point. However it's 2024 and .NET is solid, stable, and widely deployed on Linux et al - and that's without taking projects like Unity into account. That's far from only working well in a vacuum.

pjmlp 3y ago
As someone that does polyglot development across Windows and UNIX like systems, I am pretty well aware how well .NET adoption is going on UNIX shops. It doesn't matter how solid and stable it happens to be, those widely deployed on Linux workloads are mostly from Microsoft enterprise shops cutting down on server costs, not startups filled with macOS, FreeBSD and GNU/Linux desktops deciding that C# would be a great language to use on their startup. Unity is a special snowflake, they have their own .NET infrastructure, which is also a reason why you can't just use .NET vlatest on Unity. Going back to Swift, so far it hasn't shown to be any different than open source Objective-C, and Objective-C at least has GNUStep outside NeXT/Apple.
- neonsunset 3y ago
  The reasons they don't pick it is because they are just as illiterate as their microsoft shop counterparts. I have colleagues who worked in a "macOS + Rider and Linux Hosts" style teams for a long time, and had great experience, but when they talk about this to a wider audience they get a similar treatment to what another commenter described when dealing with an architect from Walmart. People only ever listen to what confirms their beliefs and at best ignore when being exposed to something different, or sometimes react in an outright hostile manner.

pjmlp 3y ago

As someone that does polyglot development across Windows and UNIX like systems, I am pretty well aware how well .NET adoption is going on UNIX shops. It doesn't matter how solid and stable it happens to be, those widely deployed on Linux workloads are mostly from Microsoft enterprise shops cutting down on server costs, not startups filled with macOS, FreeBSD and GNU/Linux desktops deciding that C# would be a great language to use on their startup. Unity is a special snowflake, they have their own .NET infrastructure, which is also a reason why you can't just use .NET vlatest on Unity. Going back to Swift, so far it hasn't shown to be any different than open source Objective-C, and Objective-C at least has GNUStep outside NeXT/Apple.

neonsunset 3y ago
The reasons they don't pick it is because they are just as illiterate as their microsoft shop counterparts. I have colleagues who worked in a "macOS + Rider and Linux Hosts" style teams for a long time, and had great experience, but when they talk about this to a wider audience they get a similar treatment to what another commenter described when dealing with an architect from Walmart. People only ever listen to what confirms their beliefs and at best ignore when being exposed to something different, or sometimes react in an outright hostile manner.