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Age old problem? How to be an open society, without being open to manipulation. I tend to think only education. But the 'right' actively fights that too. Typic

Age old problem? How to be an open society, without being open to manipulation. I tend to think only education. But the 'right' actively fights that too. Typically on 'religious' grounds, to keep people ignorant. So, even the solution is demonized. But if you try to do something, you are called a fascist for curtailing 'free-speech'. Edit: What about counter marketing. In "Seveneves", the government had people that manipulated narratives, for pro-democracy. So it was manipulation, but to do-the-right-thing, which was fighting the other government that was a secretive dictatorship like USSR/North Korea type. Often wondered if that would work at all, but it would have to be secret or if ever found out it would be pilloried for being 'manipulative'. So, how can a 'free' side ever fight 'non-free' sides without becoming the enemy and using the tactics of the 'non-free' side .

default-kramer 3y ago
> Often wondered if that would work at all, but it would have to be secret or if ever found out it would be pilloried for being 'manipulative'. Why would it have to be secret? All major governments do plenty of manipulation, and it's not even really a secret. The specifics may be a secret, but the fact that they are doing it is just business as usual.
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  I was thinking that manipulation would become non-effective once someone knows they are being manipulated. So to be most effective, it would have to be un-known. We all know governments manipulate. Generally. But what is the current specific manipulation that is still secret, and thus we are influenced by something without knowing we are being influenced, or even are confident we are not being influenced. or guess, we could be in such a jaded time that people don't believe anything, even if something is true. In such a jaded time, is manipulation easier or harder?

default-kramer 3y ago

> Often wondered if that would work at all, but it would have to be secret or if ever found out it would be pilloried for being 'manipulative'. Why would it have to be secret? All major governments do plenty of manipulation, and it's not even really a secret. The specifics may be a secret, but the fact that they are doing it is just business as usual.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
I was thinking that manipulation would become non-effective once someone knows they are being manipulated. So to be most effective, it would have to be un-known. We all know governments manipulate. Generally. But what is the current specific manipulation that is still secret, and thus we are influenced by something without knowing we are being influenced, or even are confident we are not being influenced. or guess, we could be in such a jaded time that people don't believe anything, even if something is true. In such a jaded time, is manipulation easier or harder?