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This is flatly false. Schiller emailed Sweeney asking for assurances and Sweeney responded with: > Epic and its subsidiaries are acting in good faith and will

by benced 3y ago

This is flatly false. Schiller emailed Sweeney asking for assurances and Sweeney responded with: > Epic and its subsidiaries are acting in good faith and will comply with all terms of current and future agreements with Apple, and we'll be glad to provide Apple with any specific further assurances on the topic that you'd like. Without reply, Apple summarily terminated their developer account a week later. It seems obvious, in retrospect, that Schiller's email's goal was to establish a fig leaf of Apple having reached out before doing this. It is indeed true that Sweeney has tweeted many criticisms of Apple's DMA plans but there haven't been any threatening noncompliance.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> there haven't been any threatening noncompliance Do we have neutral sources for these claims and emails? Apple said Sweeney threatened to breach contract and didn’t repudiate in private. Epic claims it didn’t threaten and did repudiate. We’re in a he said she said absent independent sourcing.
- jsnell 3y ago
  Epic provided screenshots of the emails. Are you seriously suggesting there's even the tiniest chance they're forgeries?
- benced 3y ago
  The emails are from this post (https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-terminated-epic-s-developer-account https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-terminated-e...). The source for the tweets (from your original comment: "Sweeney allegedly tweeted that he would breach his contract with Apple") are Sweeney's Twitter feed which you can read as well as I did. Did you find any threatening non-compliance?
  - ben_w 3y ago
    Perhaps it's just me, but my gut says that EpicGames dot com might, possibly, just might, not be an entirely neutral source on the topic of "was Epic naughty?" Even with screenshots, and assuming no false claims (which IIRC are entirely legal so long as you don't swear under oath), there's plenty of ways to mislead by omission while saying only true things.
vineyardmike 3y ago
> It is indeed true that Sweeney has tweeted many criticisms of Apple's DMA plans but there haven't been any threatening noncompliance. Let’s not forget that Epic has previously breached contract with Apple in the past. That’s why Fortnite isn’t in the store today. Surely this must be the true source of Apples suspicion?

by benced 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> there haven't been any threatening noncompliance Do we have neutral sources for these claims and emails? Apple said Sweeney threatened to breach contract and didn’t repudiate in private. Epic claims it didn’t threaten and did repudiate. We’re in a he said she said absent independent sourcing.

jsnell 3y ago
Epic provided screenshots of the emails. Are you seriously suggesting there's even the tiniest chance they're forgeries?
benced 3y ago
The emails are from this post (https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-terminated-epic-s-developer-account https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-terminated-e...). The source for the tweets (from your original comment: "Sweeney allegedly tweeted that he would breach his contract with Apple") are Sweeney's Twitter feed which you can read as well as I did. Did you find any threatening non-compliance?
- ben_w 3y ago
  Perhaps it's just me, but my gut says that EpicGames dot com might, possibly, just might, not be an entirely neutral source on the topic of "was Epic naughty?" Even with screenshots, and assuming no false claims (which IIRC are entirely legal so long as you don't swear under oath), there's plenty of ways to mislead by omission while saying only true things.

vineyardmike 3y ago

> It is indeed true that Sweeney has tweeted many criticisms of Apple's DMA plans but there haven't been any threatening noncompliance. Let’s not forget that Epic has previously breached contract with Apple in the past. That’s why Fortnite isn’t in the store today. Surely this must be the true source of Apples suspicion?