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I honestly don't know. I don't know how they stay in business since every developer I've ever met had a bordering on irrational hatred of them. The only people

by zaphar 3y ago

I honestly don't know. I don't know how they stay in business since every developer I've ever met had a bordering on irrational hatred of them. The only people I've met who like them were all Oracle consultants of some sort and not what I would call developers. When I've been forced to use an Oracle database it was because the company had a contract with Oracle and didn't want to allow any other database to be used. The decision was always several levels above my paygrade. I no longer accept positions at the kind of place that will do business with Oracle. It tends to signal that leadership of that place has some serious problems and too much money to realize they have those problems.

SoftTalker 3y ago
I never worked for Oracle or as an Oracle consultant, but used to develop on Oracle RDBMS. I liked it quite a lot and it was very powerful. But today, I'd use Postgres.
- zaphar 3y ago
  In purely technical terms Oracle is fine, really good even. The company comes with massive legal and cost risks though.
rstuart4133 3y ago
> I don't know how they stay in business since every developer I've ever met had a bordering on irrational hatred of them. I'm sure you know the answer. Oracle doesn't sell to developers. They sell to the management of non-tech companies whose upper echelons are staffed by people with expertise whatever they do, which might be selling dresses or making plastic pipes. For what it's with SAP uses exactly the same technique. For something truly difficult to explain, try Google replacing Oracle with SAP. https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-migrates-from-oracle-financial-software-to-sap/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-migrates-from-oracle-fi... Years ago when I invoiced Google they asked me to enter the invoice into their portal. (Generally, transcribing a vendors invoice into your accounting systems is something you pay your own employees to do of course, but big companies know how to apply the screws.) I remember that web form. It proudly said is was created by a summer of code student. It was ugly, it was concise, it was straightforward, and it just worked first go. Then Google moved to SAP, and used SAP's Aruba service to do the same thing. Aruba is layer upon layer of poor design, outages and bugs. Now, if a Google employee sends you an purchase they often offer to "get it into the system" for you. The reason is Aruba is almost unusable, so it they need whatever service is being offered badly enough they shepherd it through. I can only guess, but my explanation is assume SAP sold the system to Google's accounting department. Somehow, SAP's sales found a way to bypass the ocean of expertise inside one of the greatest software engineering companies on the planet and sell the system to a pocket of people who had no idea about what they were buying. Colour me impressed with SAP sales.

by zaphar 3y ago

SoftTalker 3y ago

I never worked for Oracle or as an Oracle consultant, but used to develop on Oracle RDBMS. I liked it quite a lot and it was very powerful. But today, I'd use Postgres.

zaphar 3y ago
In purely technical terms Oracle is fine, really good even. The company comes with massive legal and cost risks though.

rstuart4133 3y ago

> I don't know how they stay in business since every developer I've ever met had a bordering on irrational hatred of them. I'm sure you know the answer. Oracle doesn't sell to developers. They sell to the management of non-tech companies whose upper echelons are staffed by people with expertise whatever they do, which might be selling dresses or making plastic pipes. For what it's with SAP uses exactly the same technique. For something truly difficult to explain, try Google replacing Oracle with SAP. https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-migrates-from-oracle-financial-software-to-sap/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-migrates-from-oracle-fi... Years ago when I invoiced Google they asked me to enter the invoice into their portal. (Generally, transcribing a vendors invoice into your accounting systems is something you pay your own employees to do of course, but big companies know how to apply the screws.) I remember that web form. It proudly said is was created by a summer of code student. It was ugly, it was concise, it was straightforward, and it just worked first go. Then Google moved to SAP, and used SAP's Aruba service to do the same thing. Aruba is layer upon layer of poor design, outages and bugs. Now, if a Google employee sends you an purchase they often offer to "get it into the system" for you. The reason is Aruba is almost unusable, so it they need whatever service is being offered badly enough they shepherd it through. I can only guess, but my explanation is assume SAP sold the system to Google's accounting department. Somehow, SAP's sales found a way to bypass the ocean of expertise inside one of the greatest software engineering companies on the planet and sell the system to a pocket of people who had no idea about what they were buying. Colour me impressed with SAP sales.