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> Apple be maximally aggressive From an observation standpoint seeing how Microsoft behaved in the 90's and onward, they (Apple) are behaving very similarly -

> Apple be maximally aggressive From an observation standpoint seeing how Microsoft behaved in the 90's and onward, they (Apple) are behaving very similarly - almost exactly with what MS did for Windows back then. I have a growing distaste for Apple corporate/mgmt each day even though I am surrounded by their devices.

__loam 3y ago
Apple has been dragged kicking and screaming into more consumer friendly positions since the iPhone was released. It took years for them to simply switch to a more open charging port standard.
- swores 3y ago
  Not just years, it took a law requiring it to happen.
- chgs 3y ago
  Before the iPhone and maybe blackberry the majority of phones used random proprietary charger. The iPhone was the first mass market consumer phone to come with a cable that connected to a standard usb charger.
  - jwells89 3y ago
    > The iPhone was the first mass market consumer phone to come with a cable that connected to a standard usb charger. And had a device end connector that didn’t change every other model. Some phones used standard connectors for that but plenty didn’t, and manufacturers would sometimes change the connector without rhyme or reason.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - roneythomas6 3y ago
    My Sony Xperia phone had a cable that connected to standard usb charger, this was before the first iPhone. From my memory Moto Razr 2 used micro usb b cable to standard usb. There where plenty of phones before iPhone that had charging cable that connected to standard usb charger.
  - Muromec 3y ago
    I’m pretty sure my motorolas had a usb charger on device side before iPhone was a thing .
- sircastor 3y ago
  While I think they should've switched earlier, it's often forgotten how angry people got when Apple switched from the 30 pin connector to Lightning. There were piles and piles of devices that used the 30 pin connector - it had been on every iPod, iPad and iPhone for nearly a decade. Entire hotel chains had iPod Docks in every room. Switching cost isn't limited to just goes in the device. It doesn't surprise me that Apple was hesitant to switch the port again.
  - InsomniacL 3y ago
    Transfer speeds by year 2001 USB: 480Mb/s 2012 Lightening 480Mb/s 2023 USB 80,000 Mb/s 2023 Lightening 480 Mb/s Apple wasn't hesitant, they knew it was an inevitable switch so never invested in to Lightening. They were quite happy knowing once you bought Apple, you kept Apple or you lost all your accessories. They're still playing the same game now. My Airpods work grate on iPhone, but they only connect to some non-apple devices over bluetooth (not PS5), and when they do connect, if the mic is on the audio is awful.
BiteCode_dev 3y ago
And like MS they will just pay a few billions in PR and Foss to make a come back in 10 years and all will be forgiven. They will get away with this, we let them. They have no incentive to be better.
- Muromec 3y ago
  Microsoft already notified EC that they stop their browser shenanigans and will ship windows without their browser pre-installed to save on endless lawyering game they can’t win.

__loam 3y ago

Apple has been dragged kicking and screaming into more consumer friendly positions since the iPhone was released. It took years for them to simply switch to a more open charging port standard.

swores 3y ago
Not just years, it took a law requiring it to happen.
chgs 3y ago
Before the iPhone and maybe blackberry the majority of phones used random proprietary charger. The iPhone was the first mass market consumer phone to come with a cable that connected to a standard usb charger.
- jwells89 3y ago
  > The iPhone was the first mass market consumer phone to come with a cable that connected to a standard usb charger. And had a device end connector that didn’t change every other model. Some phones used standard connectors for that but plenty didn’t, and manufacturers would sometimes change the connector without rhyme or reason.
- deleted 3y ago
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- roneythomas6 3y ago
  My Sony Xperia phone had a cable that connected to standard usb charger, this was before the first iPhone. From my memory Moto Razr 2 used micro usb b cable to standard usb. There where plenty of phones before iPhone that had charging cable that connected to standard usb charger.
- Muromec 3y ago
  I’m pretty sure my motorolas had a usb charger on device side before iPhone was a thing .
sircastor 3y ago
While I think they should've switched earlier, it's often forgotten how angry people got when Apple switched from the 30 pin connector to Lightning. There were piles and piles of devices that used the 30 pin connector - it had been on every iPod, iPad and iPhone for nearly a decade. Entire hotel chains had iPod Docks in every room. Switching cost isn't limited to just goes in the device. It doesn't surprise me that Apple was hesitant to switch the port again.
- InsomniacL 3y ago
  Transfer speeds by year 2001 USB: 480Mb/s 2012 Lightening 480Mb/s 2023 USB 80,000 Mb/s 2023 Lightening 480 Mb/s Apple wasn't hesitant, they knew it was an inevitable switch so never invested in to Lightening. They were quite happy knowing once you bought Apple, you kept Apple or you lost all your accessories. They're still playing the same game now. My Airpods work grate on iPhone, but they only connect to some non-apple devices over bluetooth (not PS5), and when they do connect, if the mic is on the audio is awful.

BiteCode_dev 3y ago

And like MS they will just pay a few billions in PR and Foss to make a come back in 10 years and all will be forgiven. They will get away with this, we let them. They have no incentive to be better.

Muromec 3y ago
Microsoft already notified EC that they stop their browser shenanigans and will ship windows without their browser pre-installed to save on endless lawyering game they can’t win.