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> What source of identity does everyone have (yes, there are exceptions) and on the more difficult to lose side (industrial accidents are more likely to damage

> What source of identity does everyone have (yes, there are exceptions) and on the more difficult to lose side (industrial accidents are more likely to damage fingers than eyes)? Government-issued ID card? > How do I make sure that 1000 distinct people do it and it's not just 100 people getting in the line 10 times each? Find people to do the distribution whom you trust to be able to recognize people who are cutting multiple times? I mean, you already have to trust them to do things like actually disburse the food to the people, and not skim off 30% to sell for their own profit or whatnot. And if you look into where aid distribution goes awry, it's largely not "100 people getting in the line 10 times each" but the distributors absconding with the aid instead of giving it to the intended recipients.

Zak 3y ago
> Government-issued ID card? It's easy to think of reasons that wouldn't work particularly well in some parts of the world. That doesn't mean I'm actually onboard with scanning biometrics, especially those of people who haven't read enough dystopian science fiction to be skeptical of that plan.
shagie 3y ago
I'm going to note that I don't agree with Worldcoin (nor crypto currency in general) - just that this is an issue that WorldCoin was trying to resolve with biometrics. Government issued ID cards are forgeable and states not too difficult to get officially (the classic example of a spy with four different identities). For that matter, multiple different forms of identification can complicate the matter. Consider https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification - I have a passport, I have a drivers license. There are individuals who have both of those identifications and a Tribal Nation identity card and a Veteran Health Identification Card too. Four different forms of ID for the same person - can those each be used once? I believe that Worldcoin is/was an attempt to solve some great societal issues with crypto currency tooling ... and is going to end up with many other ideas of how to solve social problems with technology in a "nope, that doesn't work" pile. Scanning eyeballs is an attempt to have one person to one identity - which may work, but it doesn't solve the related practical problems of distributing aid.
- jcranmer 3y ago
  > I have a passport, I have a drivers license. There are individuals who have both of those identifications and a Tribal Nation identity card and a Veteran Health Identification Card too. Four different forms of ID for the same person - can those each be used once? The point of government ID is that you have a complete government registry of allowed people, and ID cards are used to prove your association to that registry. For example, when I go to vote, there is a master list of everyone who is eligible to vote, and my name gets checked off the list. If I tried to vote again, well, my name is already checked off the list and I don't get to vote again because of that. Or put differently, proof of identity isn't the same of proof authorization. ID cards prove identity; some other mechanism needs to prove authority to access the resource, and if necessary, it's that mechanism that prevents repeat access.
  - andrewaylett 3y ago
    There's no need for ID for that use, either, no matter what the UK government claims. A list of voters, and when someone comes in you cross their name off the list. If it turns out they were lying, you'll find out when the actual voter turns up.

Zak 3y ago

> Government-issued ID card? It's easy to think of reasons that wouldn't work particularly well in some parts of the world. That doesn't mean I'm actually onboard with scanning biometrics, especially those of people who haven't read enough dystopian science fiction to be skeptical of that plan.

shagie 3y ago

I'm going to note that I don't agree with Worldcoin (nor crypto currency in general) - just that this is an issue that WorldCoin was trying to resolve with biometrics. Government issued ID cards are forgeable and states not too difficult to get officially (the classic example of a spy with four different identities). For that matter, multiple different forms of identification can complicate the matter. Consider https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification - I have a passport, I have a drivers license. There are individuals who have both of those identifications and a Tribal Nation identity card and a Veteran Health Identification Card too. Four different forms of ID for the same person - can those each be used once? I believe that Worldcoin is/was an attempt to solve some great societal issues with crypto currency tooling ... and is going to end up with many other ideas of how to solve social problems with technology in a "nope, that doesn't work" pile. Scanning eyeballs is an attempt to have one person to one identity - which may work, but it doesn't solve the related practical problems of distributing aid.

jcranmer 3y ago
> I have a passport, I have a drivers license. There are individuals who have both of those identifications and a Tribal Nation identity card and a Veteran Health Identification Card too. Four different forms of ID for the same person - can those each be used once? The point of government ID is that you have a complete government registry of allowed people, and ID cards are used to prove your association to that registry. For example, when I go to vote, there is a master list of everyone who is eligible to vote, and my name gets checked off the list. If I tried to vote again, well, my name is already checked off the list and I don't get to vote again because of that. Or put differently, proof of identity isn't the same of proof authorization. ID cards prove identity; some other mechanism needs to prove authority to access the resource, and if necessary, it's that mechanism that prevents repeat access.
- andrewaylett 3y ago
  There's no need for ID for that use, either, no matter what the UK government claims. A list of voters, and when someone comes in you cross their name off the list. If it turns out they were lying, you'll find out when the actual voter turns up.