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Epic is learning the lesson that Nvidia had to learn. Apple holds grudges. Honestly, it was idiotic of them to expect anything else. Maybe they thought that the

Epic is learning the lesson that Nvidia had to learn. Apple holds grudges. Honestly, it was idiotic of them to expect anything else. Maybe they thought that they were more Samsung-like and after being a huge pain to apple, life will resume normalcy. Apple needed Samsung. They do not need Epic.

paulmd 3y ago
people really think bumpgate was about some issue that also affected AMD too and not closing the door on NVIDIA building a platform inside Apple's platform and shifting the balance of power? you've been reading way too much semiaccurate lol https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-what-happened.html https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-w... like, we have the benefit of a decade of retrospect and watched nvidia do exactly the thing that apple refuses to let their partners ever do (namely: wear the pants in the relationship), and you're still taking charlie's takes at face value. Do you really think it's the bumps and not Apple taking action to protect themselves and their future products against the threat of competitive lock-in posed by NVIDIA and CUDA? it is just amazing that people continue to take the guy seriously. How is that "NVIDIA is 4+ years behind AMD in the mid-term, and GV100 and GP100 are bumpgate 2.0" working out for you? Was ~2015-2020 a good period for Radeon Group? https://www.semiaccurate.com/2013/05/20/nvidias-volta-gpu-raises-serious-red-flags-for-the-company/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2013/05/20/nvidias-volta-gpu-ra... https://www.semiaccurate.com/2015/05/19/amd-finally-talks-hbm-memory/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2015/05/19/amd-finally-talks-hb... https://www.semiaccurate.com/2016/05/03/thing-go-bumpgate-in-the-night-for-nvidias-gp100-pascal-gpu/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2016/05/03/thing-go-bumpgate-in... https://www.semiaccurate.com/2016/06/08/nvidia-p100-gpu-update-no-bumps-yet/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2016/06/08/nvidia-p100-gpu-upda... https://www.semiaccurate.com/2016/08/01/nvidia-finally-shows-off-working-gp100s/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2016/08/01/nvidia-finally-shows... https://www.semiaccurate.com/2014/09/15/amds-mantle-api-going-outlive-directx-12/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2014/09/15/amds-mantle-api-goin... it's amazing that people will sniff out a MLID quote from a thousand paces and yet still uncritically babble Charlie's nonsense like it's the word of god. Dude is a stopped clock who occasionally happens to be correct in his NVIDIA/Intel hatewagon, and that's given him enough reputability that he's apparently beyond reproach with a significant portion of the Gaming Public (tm) who are just looking for reasons to be upset about NVIDIA/Intel.
munk-a 3y ago
Grudges are unproductive and bring no benefit to the shareholder - this move is almost certainly going to result in a lawsuit that Epic would be in a good position in (assuming there aren't massive skeletons in the closet). This is an irrational move - especially in an election year when politicians have a lot to gain by demonizing late stage capitalism.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > late stage capitalism The folks who were using this term are being successfully primaried.
justin66 3y ago
> Apple holds grudges. Honestly, it was idiotic of them to expect anything else. I'm sure upon first hearing this news Epic's management collectively lay down and curled up into the fetal position, awestruck and weeping in surprise at the sheer, unprecedented nature of this blow.

paulmd 3y ago

people really think bumpgate was about some issue that also affected AMD too and not closing the door on NVIDIA building a platform inside Apple's platform and shifting the balance of power? you've been reading way too much semiaccurate lol https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-what-happened.html https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-w... like, we have the benefit of a decade of retrospect and watched nvidia do exactly the thing that apple refuses to let their partners ever do (namely: wear the pants in the relationship), and you're still taking charlie's takes at face value. Do you really think it's the bumps and not Apple taking action to protect themselves and their future products against the threat of competitive lock-in posed by NVIDIA and CUDA? it is just amazing that people continue to take the guy seriously. How is that "NVIDIA is 4+ years behind AMD in the mid-term, and GV100 and GP100 are bumpgate 2.0" working out for you? Was ~2015-2020 a good period for Radeon Group? https://www.semiaccurate.com/2013/05/20/nvidias-volta-gpu-raises-serious-red-flags-for-the-company/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2013/05/20/nvidias-volta-gpu-ra... https://www.semiaccurate.com/2015/05/19/amd-finally-talks-hbm-memory/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2015/05/19/amd-finally-talks-hb... https://www.semiaccurate.com/2016/05/03/thing-go-bumpgate-in-the-night-for-nvidias-gp100-pascal-gpu/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2016/05/03/thing-go-bumpgate-in... https://www.semiaccurate.com/2016/06/08/nvidia-p100-gpu-update-no-bumps-yet/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2016/06/08/nvidia-p100-gpu-upda... https://www.semiaccurate.com/2016/08/01/nvidia-finally-shows-off-working-gp100s/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2016/08/01/nvidia-finally-shows... https://www.semiaccurate.com/2014/09/15/amds-mantle-api-going-outlive-directx-12/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2014/09/15/amds-mantle-api-goin... it's amazing that people will sniff out a MLID quote from a thousand paces and yet still uncritically babble Charlie's nonsense like it's the word of god. Dude is a stopped clock who occasionally happens to be correct in his NVIDIA/Intel hatewagon, and that's given him enough reputability that he's apparently beyond reproach with a significant portion of the Gaming Public (tm) who are just looking for reasons to be upset about NVIDIA/Intel.

munk-a 3y ago

Grudges are unproductive and bring no benefit to the shareholder - this move is almost certainly going to result in a lawsuit that Epic would be in a good position in (assuming there aren't massive skeletons in the closet). This is an irrational move - especially in an election year when politicians have a lot to gain by demonizing late stage capitalism.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> late stage capitalism The folks who were using this term are being successfully primaried.

justin66 3y ago

> Apple holds grudges. Honestly, it was idiotic of them to expect anything else. I'm sure upon first hearing this news Epic's management collectively lay down and curled up into the fetal position, awestruck and weeping in surprise at the sheer, unprecedented nature of this blow.