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> Earlier last year, it made changes to the Oracle Java SE subscription model, basing it on a per-employee metric many said would increase costs for users. Wou

> Earlier last year, it made changes to the Oracle Java SE subscription model, basing it on a per-employee metric many said would increase costs for users. Would running Java under Corretto 21 change this?

kevinherron 3y ago
Yes, all of this Oracle Java licensing drama only applies if you're using the Oracle JDK. The vast majority of people can just use a JDK from any of the other vendors and tell Oracle to pound sand. Even if you do need paid support, you should pay Azul instead of Oracle, just out of principle.
- matrix87 3y ago
  > Even if you do need paid support By paid support, you mean free steak dinners for middle management? After dealing with Azul people, give me Oracle. Instead of seeing Azul people shuffling a bunch of charts around and making up shit on the fly to make it sound like their garbage product performs better than OpenJDK (it didn't for us. we benchmarked it. but shame on us, because I guess the steak dinners kept rolling in). Look at this website, do you think it belongs to a legitimate company? https://www.azul.com/ https://www.azul.com/
  - kevinherron 3y ago
    We have a contract with Azul that allows us to report bugs with the expectation they are fixed. We can and do use this ability.
- kragen 3y ago
  also they can use the openjdk from oracle
  - layer8 3y ago
    Oracle doesn’t provide LTS updates. Each Oracle OpenJDK version is only supported for six months and doesn’t receive any further updates afterwards.
    - kragen 3y ago
      pretty sure you can get your openjdk lts updates from debian
      - vetinari 3y ago
        Those are Debian's (or Redhat's, or Fedora's) builds. Oracle ones are exactly as layer8 wrote. Moreso, if you also need windows or macos build; there's no Debian or Redhat then.
        kragen 3y ago
        true!
jabroni_salad 3y ago
I recently helped a factory change their timecard system because of this. They wanted a license for every employee and contractor who is capable of using any computer. Not just for the timepunch devices. Not just for the employees who use the timepunch devices. I wasn't involved in the decision but it's my understanding that they did not even try to engage their vendor. They got legal threats from Oracle and put in a different solution on the same day. If you develop for java make sure your install process doesnt have something like "step 1: install java" cuz guess what they're going to download.

kevinherron 3y ago

Yes, all of this Oracle Java licensing drama only applies if you're using the Oracle JDK. The vast majority of people can just use a JDK from any of the other vendors and tell Oracle to pound sand. Even if you do need paid support, you should pay Azul instead of Oracle, just out of principle.

matrix87 3y ago
> Even if you do need paid support By paid support, you mean free steak dinners for middle management? After dealing with Azul people, give me Oracle. Instead of seeing Azul people shuffling a bunch of charts around and making up shit on the fly to make it sound like their garbage product performs better than OpenJDK (it didn't for us. we benchmarked it. but shame on us, because I guess the steak dinners kept rolling in). Look at this website, do you think it belongs to a legitimate company? https://www.azul.com/ https://www.azul.com/
- kevinherron 3y ago
  We have a contract with Azul that allows us to report bugs with the expectation they are fixed. We can and do use this ability.
kragen 3y ago
also they can use the openjdk from oracle
- layer8 3y ago
  Oracle doesn’t provide LTS updates. Each Oracle OpenJDK version is only supported for six months and doesn’t receive any further updates afterwards.
  - kragen 3y ago
    pretty sure you can get your openjdk lts updates from debian
    - vetinari 3y ago
      Those are Debian's (or Redhat's, or Fedora's) builds. Oracle ones are exactly as layer8 wrote. Moreso, if you also need windows or macos build; there's no Debian or Redhat then.
      - kragen 3y ago
        true!

jabroni_salad 3y ago

I recently helped a factory change their timecard system because of this. They wanted a license for every employee and contractor who is capable of using any computer. Not just for the timepunch devices. Not just for the employees who use the timepunch devices. I wasn't involved in the decision but it's my understanding that they did not even try to engage their vendor. They got legal threats from Oracle and put in a different solution on the same day. If you develop for java make sure your install process doesnt have something like "step 1: install java" cuz guess what they're going to download.