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Most of Iran/Pakistan will become unlivable outside during summer (maybe it will shock you most most world doesn't have AC even if its 50C outside). Same could

by jajko 3y ago

Most of Iran/Pakistan will become unlivable outside during summer (maybe it will shock you most most world doesn't have AC even if its 50C outside). Same could easily go for whole Sahel. We can continue around the globe and name locations where a billion+ people live. Please explain those cool positives you see to them. You won't have to, they will mostly not lay around and wait for collapse and death, instead they will stand up, turn towards also your home and march to a good and safe location (TM). I would do exactly the same in their place. Bear in mind that those folks will be absolutely desperate with nothing to lose. This will be a catastrophe for all developed nations, and I don't see any way to avoid it now.

gottorf 3y ago
> (maybe it will shock you most most world doesn't have AC even if its 50C outside) The solution is, again, more energy abundance so that most of the world can have AC. To paraphrase another HNer, I wish for the average Bangladeshi or Nigerian to have the living standards of the average Texan or Swiss; not the other way around, which would be what I foresee as the result of "degrowth" in the name of saving the climate. There's virtually no point in the hand-wringing that the developed world engages in with electric cars and rooftop solar, when the developing world, where the majority of people are, are emitting more per capita CO2 emissions year after year. China alone netted over 40GW of coal power plants last year. > Same could easily go for whole Sahel The Sahel isn't home to all that many people, because it's not very friendly to civilization to begin with. Countries with territories in the Sahel have quite a lot of people, but that's entirely different. > I don't see any way to avoid it now More energy, preferably emission-free, but with emissions if we must. More nuclear power plants. More research into fusion.

by jajko 3y ago

gottorf 3y ago

> (maybe it will shock you most most world doesn't have AC even if its 50C outside) The solution is, again, more energy abundance so that most of the world can have AC. To paraphrase another HNer, I wish for the average Bangladeshi or Nigerian to have the living standards of the average Texan or Swiss; not the other way around, which would be what I foresee as the result of "degrowth" in the name of saving the climate. There's virtually no point in the hand-wringing that the developed world engages in with electric cars and rooftop solar, when the developing world, where the majority of people are, are emitting more per capita CO2 emissions year after year. China alone netted over 40GW of coal power plants last year. > Same could easily go for whole Sahel The Sahel isn't home to all that many people, because it's not very friendly to civilization to begin with. Countries with territories in the Sahel have quite a lot of people, but that's entirely different. > I don't see any way to avoid it now More energy, preferably emission-free, but with emissions if we must. More nuclear power plants. More research into fusion.