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> Well, could once. Probably not any more: Apple backed away from ZFS about 15 years ago or so. No, you still can! Booting from it isn't a mainstream use case
by pxc 3y ago
> Well, could once. Probably not any more: Apple backed away from ZFS about 15 years ago or so.
No, you still can! Booting from it isn't a mainstream use case for it, but a port of ZFS to macOS is still alive today.
Project website: https://openzfsonosx.org/ https://openzfsonosx.org/
Instructions for using it for /: https://openzfsonosx.org/wiki/ZFS_on_Boot https://openzfsonosx.org/wiki/ZFS_on_Boot
It installs and creates filesystems just fine. The only part I haven't successfully tested myself within the last year or two is actually booting from it.
> I have sympathy for the "servers as cattle" approach, but then again, the Linux world is in danger of forgetting where it comes from: from enthusiasts having fun. From people hacking around, learning, exploring, for a laugh, partly because it's free.
One thing I believe deeply is that no one ever really masters the Unix environment without living in it. Without a solid foundation of interactive use, programming with the shell as your REPL, puttering around your filesystem with `cd`, you'll never properly learn your way around. 'Learning Linux' in a 'cloud-native' context tends to mean being alienated from all of that, and I think it profoundly hampers the development of fluency and comfort with the system.
To get that from a box (server or desktop), it has to be a home to you, and homes aren't disposable (the Impermanence framework for NixOS aside).
I do think NixOS has a place there, in keeping computing fun and exciting. For me, it was the first truly interesting distro (at least among those I'd consider usable/practical for me) in a long time. (This was back in 2015 or so.) I was a desktop Linux hobbyist before I took up any devops-related work, and for several years, NixOS singlehandedly breathed new life into that hobby for me. As far as I can tell, this is not an uncommon reaction to NixOS among enthusiasts, if not among casual Linux users.
- lproven 3y ago> No, you still can! I knew it was around -- I have written about ZFS several times -- but if it's not in the kernel I didn't think you could boot from it any more, and in recent versions of macOS you can't readily add new kernel extensions any more. (It is possible, by disabling some of the security settings, but it's very much not trivial.) > no one ever really masters the Unix environment without living in it. An interesting take. I can't really argue with that. > NixOS has a place there, in keeping computing fun and exciting Interesting!