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Yes I do. It means exactly that. US persons have US rights no matter where they are. Doesn't mean local laws don't also apply. Same for EU citizens. I have 3 di

Yes I do. It means exactly that. US persons have US rights no matter where they are. Doesn't mean local laws don't also apply. Same for EU citizens. I have 3 different citizenships, so I have 3 different sets of rights that apply simultaneously and they follow me around everywhere. Why is that so hard to understand?

bee_rider 3y ago
It is hard to understand because often those laws are contradictory (the US first and second amendment rights contradict the laws of many countries). It also doesn’t make sense in relation to how courts work practically; courts enforce your rights by punishing entities that violate them. If the local court doesn’t care about your rights from your other countries, and a local entity violates them, in what sense do you practically have those rights?
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
  Because (in this case) the EU will punish Apple in the EU for taking away your rights, even though you are not in the EU. Your rights still apply. You very much do have those rights in a practical sense.
yau8edq12i 3y ago
It's hard to understand because it's wrong. Again, apart from certain fundamental rights (e.g. right to life) you only "have" are the right that are granted by the local laws. What does it mean to "have" a right? It's means you're able to exercise it. Can you exercise your right to bear arms in Germany? No. Can you exercise your right to free speech in North Korea? No. Etc. You only have these rights when you're in your own country. You may enjoy similar rights in similar countries, but that's about it.
- Martinussen 3y ago
  I suppose the question is if you have a "right to bear arms" or a "right to bear arms that shall be unhampered by the government of the USA" - and either way, you don't have a "right to 3rd party app stores" in this case, Apple has an obligation to provide a service to you (an EU citizen), without certain restrictions. That seems a lot more reasonable for applying no matter where you are at the time.
  - dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
    You still have the right to bear arms if you're not in the US, it's just you've also got to obey local laws too.
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
  You're confusing local laws and the rights you attain through citizenship or something else. You don't have right to guns in Germany if they are contrary to local laws, otherwise you do. I have rights to consular protection from the EU outside of the EU. My GDPR rights don't stop because I'm outside the EU. Tell me which one of these I'm wrong about.
  - yau8edq12i 3y ago
    > You're confusing local laws and the rights you attain through citizenship or something else. I'm not confusing anything. > You don't have right to guns in Germany if they are contrary to local laws, otherwise you do. Then how do you reconcile that with your statement that "US persons have US rights no matter where they are"? > I have rights to consular protection from the EU outside of the EU. The EU offers no consular protection. Member States do. > My GDPR rights don't stop because I'm outside the EU. Yes, they do. https://www.edpb.europa.eu/our-work-tools/our-documents/guidelines/guidelines-32018-territorial-scope-gdpr-article-3-version_en https://www.edpb.europa.eu/our-work-tools/our-documents/guid...
    - malermeister 3y ago
      The EU absolutely offers consular protection. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/consular-protection/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/consular-protect...

bee_rider 3y ago

It is hard to understand because often those laws are contradictory (the US first and second amendment rights contradict the laws of many countries). It also doesn’t make sense in relation to how courts work practically; courts enforce your rights by punishing entities that violate them. If the local court doesn’t care about your rights from your other countries, and a local entity violates them, in what sense do you practically have those rights?

dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
Because (in this case) the EU will punish Apple in the EU for taking away your rights, even though you are not in the EU. Your rights still apply. You very much do have those rights in a practical sense.

yau8edq12i 3y ago

It's hard to understand because it's wrong. Again, apart from certain fundamental rights (e.g. right to life) you only "have" are the right that are granted by the local laws. What does it mean to "have" a right? It's means you're able to exercise it. Can you exercise your right to bear arms in Germany? No. Can you exercise your right to free speech in North Korea? No. Etc. You only have these rights when you're in your own country. You may enjoy similar rights in similar countries, but that's about it.

Martinussen 3y ago
I suppose the question is if you have a "right to bear arms" or a "right to bear arms that shall be unhampered by the government of the USA" - and either way, you don't have a "right to 3rd party app stores" in this case, Apple has an obligation to provide a service to you (an EU citizen), without certain restrictions. That seems a lot more reasonable for applying no matter where you are at the time.
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
  You still have the right to bear arms if you're not in the US, it's just you've also got to obey local laws too.
dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
You're confusing local laws and the rights you attain through citizenship or something else. You don't have right to guns in Germany if they are contrary to local laws, otherwise you do. I have rights to consular protection from the EU outside of the EU. My GDPR rights don't stop because I'm outside the EU. Tell me which one of these I'm wrong about.
- yau8edq12i 3y ago
  > You're confusing local laws and the rights you attain through citizenship or something else. I'm not confusing anything. > You don't have right to guns in Germany if they are contrary to local laws, otherwise you do. Then how do you reconcile that with your statement that "US persons have US rights no matter where they are"? > I have rights to consular protection from the EU outside of the EU. The EU offers no consular protection. Member States do. > My GDPR rights don't stop because I'm outside the EU. Yes, they do. https://www.edpb.europa.eu/our-work-tools/our-documents/guidelines/guidelines-32018-territorial-scope-gdpr-article-3-version_en https://www.edpb.europa.eu/our-work-tools/our-documents/guid...
  - malermeister 3y ago
    The EU absolutely offers consular protection. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/consular-protection/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/consular-protect...