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> Just pay OpenAI a relatively tiny fee and you can generate tonnes of plausible spam designed to promote your product or service or trick people into giving yo

by hiatus 3y ago

> Just pay OpenAI a relatively tiny fee and you can generate tonnes of plausible spam designed to promote your product or service or trick people into giving you money. That's the primary problem we're facing right now. Is content generation really the thing holding spammers back? I haven't seen a huge influx of more realistic spam so I wonder your basis for this statement.

20after4 3y ago
The "spam" is now so good you won't necessarily recognize it as such.
mort96 3y ago
There's a ton of LLM spam on platforms like Reddit and Twitter, and product review sites.
- dmix 3y ago
  Everyone always says this, that there's "bots" all over Reddit but every time I ask for real examples of stuff (with actual upvotes) I never get anything. If anything it's just the same regular spam that gets deleted and ignored at the bottom of threads. Easier content generation doesn't solve the reputation problem that social media demands in order to get attention. The whole LLM+spam thing is mostly exaggerated because people don't understand this fact. It merely creates a slightly harder problem for automatic text analysis engines...which was already one of the weaker forms of spam detection full of false positives and misses. Everything else is network and behaviour related, with human reporting as last resort.
  - mort96 3y ago
    There's a big market for high reputation, old Reddit accounts, exactly because those things make it easier to get attention. LLMs are a great way to automate generating high reputation accounts. There are articles written on LLM spam, such as this one: https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/25/23697218/ai-generated-spam-fake-user-reviews-as-an-ai-language-model https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/25/23697218/ai-generated-spa.... Those are probably going to substantiate this problem better than I would.
  - evandale 3y ago
    I want to see the proof of: bots, Russian trolls, and bad actors that supposedly crawl all over Reddit. Everyone who disagrees with the hivemind of a subreddit gets accused of being one of those things and any attempt to dispute the claim gets you banned. The internet of today sucks because people are so obsessed with those 3 things that they're the first conclusion people jump to on pseudoanonymous social media when they have no other response. They'll crawl through your controversial comments just to provide proof that you can't possibly be serious and you're being controversial to play an internet villain. I'd love to know how you dispute the claim that "you're parroting Russian troll talking points so you must be a Russian troll" when it's actually the Russian trolls parroting the sentiments to seem like real people.

by hiatus 3y ago

20after4 3y ago

The "spam" is now so good you won't necessarily recognize it as such.

mort96 3y ago

There's a ton of LLM spam on platforms like Reddit and Twitter, and product review sites.

dmix 3y ago
Everyone always says this, that there's "bots" all over Reddit but every time I ask for real examples of stuff (with actual upvotes) I never get anything. If anything it's just the same regular spam that gets deleted and ignored at the bottom of threads. Easier content generation doesn't solve the reputation problem that social media demands in order to get attention. The whole LLM+spam thing is mostly exaggerated because people don't understand this fact. It merely creates a slightly harder problem for automatic text analysis engines...which was already one of the weaker forms of spam detection full of false positives and misses. Everything else is network and behaviour related, with human reporting as last resort.
- mort96 3y ago
  There's a big market for high reputation, old Reddit accounts, exactly because those things make it easier to get attention. LLMs are a great way to automate generating high reputation accounts. There are articles written on LLM spam, such as this one: https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/25/23697218/ai-generated-spam-fake-user-reviews-as-an-ai-language-model https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/25/23697218/ai-generated-spa.... Those are probably going to substantiate this problem better than I would.
- evandale 3y ago
  I want to see the proof of: bots, Russian trolls, and bad actors that supposedly crawl all over Reddit. Everyone who disagrees with the hivemind of a subreddit gets accused of being one of those things and any attempt to dispute the claim gets you banned. The internet of today sucks because people are so obsessed with those 3 things that they're the first conclusion people jump to on pseudoanonymous social media when they have no other response. They'll crawl through your controversial comments just to provide proof that you can't possibly be serious and you're being controversial to play an internet villain. I'd love to know how you dispute the claim that "you're parroting Russian troll talking points so you must be a Russian troll" when it's actually the Russian trolls parroting the sentiments to seem like real people.