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>Mozilla has been critical of Apple too. Care to link to them? I am not being facetious, I am genuinely interested in seeing their official statements on this

>Mozilla has been critical of Apple too. Care to link to them? I am not being facetious, I am genuinely interested in seeing their official statements on this and if they've publicly called Apple to open up iOS to Firefox. Bonus points if they've alluded to antitrust law.

azakai 14y ago
> Care to link to them? For example, here is criticism from a top Mozilla dev on iOS's closedness, http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_frm/thread/3f6f35a0d9447c23/28e1bd20f93a36ac?lnk=gst&q=ios+closed#28e1bd20f93a36ac http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_f... > Bonus points if they've alluded to antitrust law. How can criticism of Apple be related to antitrust law? What monopoly do they have?
- kprobst 14y ago
  > What monopoly do they have? Do they not have what is essentially a monopoly on the tablet space? I'm not up to date on Android tablet market share, but it seems to me that there isn't so much a market for tablets as there is one for iPads. Everything else is pretty much nonexistent. I might be wrong about that, I guess.
  - azakai 14y ago
    http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/05/03/amazons-tablet-market-share-dwindles-says-idc/ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/05/03/amazons-tablet-market... Apple has 68% of the market. It's in a very powerful position, but it isn't a monopoly.
    - kprobst 14y ago
      I stand corrected, thank you. I thought it was far higher.
    - sses 14y ago
      That's higher than Google's share of the US search market, according to comScore. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/googles-web-search-market-share-rises-in-april-2012-05-11 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/googles-web-search-market-s...
      - azakai 14y ago
        What does tablet market share have to do with search market share?
    - jroseattle 14y ago
      Using percentages to decide monopoly status isn't relevant. There are far greater factors involved, as the DOJ/MS trial established precedent in that respect.
- cooldeal 14y ago
  I fail to see how a random post by a dev on Usenet is remotely close to an official statement by the General Counsel of Mozilla on the company blog.
  - azakai 14y ago
    The general counsel explains the difference here http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9227080/Mozilla_on_new_browser_brouhaha_Microsoft_Apple_different_cases http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9227080/Mozilla... and meanwhile Google has joined Mozilla in its criticism, http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57431475-92/google-agrees-with-mozillas-windows-rt-browser-concerns/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57431475-92/google-agrees-w...

azakai 14y ago

> Care to link to them? For example, here is criticism from a top Mozilla dev on iOS's closedness, http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_frm/thread/3f6f35a0d9447c23/28e1bd20f93a36ac?lnk=gst&q=ios+closed#28e1bd20f93a36ac http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_f... > Bonus points if they've alluded to antitrust law. How can criticism of Apple be related to antitrust law? What monopoly do they have?

kprobst 14y ago
> What monopoly do they have? Do they not have what is essentially a monopoly on the tablet space? I'm not up to date on Android tablet market share, but it seems to me that there isn't so much a market for tablets as there is one for iPads. Everything else is pretty much nonexistent. I might be wrong about that, I guess.
- azakai 14y ago
  http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/05/03/amazons-tablet-market-share-dwindles-says-idc/ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/05/03/amazons-tablet-market... Apple has 68% of the market. It's in a very powerful position, but it isn't a monopoly.
  - kprobst 14y ago
    I stand corrected, thank you. I thought it was far higher.
  - sses 14y ago
    That's higher than Google's share of the US search market, according to comScore. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/googles-web-search-market-share-rises-in-april-2012-05-11 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/googles-web-search-market-s...
    - azakai 14y ago
      What does tablet market share have to do with search market share?
  - jroseattle 14y ago
    Using percentages to decide monopoly status isn't relevant. There are far greater factors involved, as the DOJ/MS trial established precedent in that respect.
cooldeal 14y ago
I fail to see how a random post by a dev on Usenet is remotely close to an official statement by the General Counsel of Mozilla on the company blog.
- azakai 14y ago
  The general counsel explains the difference here http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9227080/Mozilla_on_new_browser_brouhaha_Microsoft_Apple_different_cases http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9227080/Mozilla... and meanwhile Google has joined Mozilla in its criticism, http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57431475-92/google-agrees-with-mozillas-windows-rt-browser-concerns/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57431475-92/google-agrees-w...