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> an IBM PC 386 A what now? Is this just shorthand for "a 386-based PC compatible"? Because the IBM PC had an 8088, and the next model with a newer CPU, the

> an IBM PC 386 A what now? Is this just shorthand for "a 386-based PC compatible"? Because the IBM PC had an 8088, and the next model with a newer CPU, the first 286, was the IBM PC/AT. There never was a PC-architecture 386 from IBM... They moved to the PS/2 range by then.

coldtea 3y ago
AT and PS/2 never caught on names with the public. It was still just "PC" or "IBM PC compatible" even when talking more formally. Regular people would only refer specificially to AT or PS/2 when buying motherboards or peripherals.
- lproven 3y ago
  Yes, true, OK. But still, I am curious. 386 PS/2s were expensive. My first job had a Model 70-A21 as a demo box: https://www.ardent-tool.com/qtechinfo/GJAN-43WJX8.html https://www.ardent-tool.com/qtechinfo/GJAN-43WJX8.html First 3.5" hard disk I ever saw. Blazing speed for 1988. A 25MHZ 386! With secondary cache! This thing was $10,500 for the base spec, if I remember rightly -- it's over 35 years ago -- and that excluded a keyboard, monitor and DOS. In my 2nd year in that job I bought a 2nd hand Acorn Archimedes A310. 8MHz ARM 2, 1MB RAM, 20MB hard disk. It was considerably quicker than that IBM. Like 4-8x the speed. And it was £800 used. With a screen, keyboard and RISC OS! Probably £1500 new, so about one tenth of the price of a comparably-specified Model 70. My point being... as someone said upthread, they didn't know anyone with a private Mac home computer. Yeah, well, a 386 PS/2 was even more expensive than a Mac.
  - farrelle25 3y ago
    Ah I knew I shouldn't have said 'IBM PC 386'...! :-O It was an "Epson Equity 386SX" which - as you say - is my uninformed shorthand for 'a 386-based PC compatible' (actually maybe it was only 286-based anyway?!) https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/epson-equity-386sx-16-plus,-equity-320sx-pl https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/epson-equity-386sx-16... ps: I was a mainframe PL/1 programmer at the time so plead ignorance on all things PC-based... (!)
    - lproven 3y ago
      Ah, yeah, fair dos. I remember the Epson Equity range. I supported quite a lot of the original 8086 and 80286 ones. Cute little PCs, which was unusual back then -- most big name vendors went with big wide, or fat or tall, cases to look impressive for the money.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    >My point being... as someone said upthread, they didn't know anyone with a private Mac home computer. Yeah, well, a 386 PS/2 was even more expensive than a Mac. Still within the reach of a PC-enthusiast early adopter upper middle class person, a doctor or lawyer doing well and such. The kind which now buy a Leica and lenses for $10K+.

coldtea 3y ago

AT and PS/2 never caught on names with the public. It was still just "PC" or "IBM PC compatible" even when talking more formally. Regular people would only refer specificially to AT or PS/2 when buying motherboards or peripherals.

lproven 3y ago
Yes, true, OK. But still, I am curious. 386 PS/2s were expensive. My first job had a Model 70-A21 as a demo box: https://www.ardent-tool.com/qtechinfo/GJAN-43WJX8.html https://www.ardent-tool.com/qtechinfo/GJAN-43WJX8.html First 3.5" hard disk I ever saw. Blazing speed for 1988. A 25MHZ 386! With secondary cache! This thing was $10,500 for the base spec, if I remember rightly -- it's over 35 years ago -- and that excluded a keyboard, monitor and DOS. In my 2nd year in that job I bought a 2nd hand Acorn Archimedes A310. 8MHz ARM 2, 1MB RAM, 20MB hard disk. It was considerably quicker than that IBM. Like 4-8x the speed. And it was £800 used. With a screen, keyboard and RISC OS! Probably £1500 new, so about one tenth of the price of a comparably-specified Model 70. My point being... as someone said upthread, they didn't know anyone with a private Mac home computer. Yeah, well, a 386 PS/2 was even more expensive than a Mac.
- farrelle25 3y ago
  Ah I knew I shouldn't have said 'IBM PC 386'...! :-O It was an "Epson Equity 386SX" which - as you say - is my uninformed shorthand for 'a 386-based PC compatible' (actually maybe it was only 286-based anyway?!) https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/epson-equity-386sx-16-plus,-equity-320sx-pl https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/epson-equity-386sx-16... ps: I was a mainframe PL/1 programmer at the time so plead ignorance on all things PC-based... (!)
  - lproven 3y ago
    Ah, yeah, fair dos. I remember the Epson Equity range. I supported quite a lot of the original 8086 and 80286 ones. Cute little PCs, which was unusual back then -- most big name vendors went with big wide, or fat or tall, cases to look impressive for the money.
- coldtea 3y ago
  >My point being... as someone said upthread, they didn't know anyone with a private Mac home computer. Yeah, well, a 386 PS/2 was even more expensive than a Mac. Still within the reach of a PC-enthusiast early adopter upper middle class person, a doctor or lawyer doing well and such. The kind which now buy a Leica and lenses for $10K+.