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It’s really only us tech nerds who actually see through the scam. When you don’t know what you’re doing and you’re spending other people’s money, the greater t

It’s really only us tech nerds who actually see through the scam. When you don’t know what you’re doing and you’re spending other people’s money, the greater the cost and complexity the greater your accomplishment looks.

arethuza 3y ago
If I had to guess I doubt if this was actually Oracle's fault - sounds like implementation problems not problems with software itself?
- mjburgess 3y ago
  When you hire a company like oracle to create you a business system, they already know that their job is primarily to characterise your existing processes, suggest new ones, document existing ones -- to very high levels of detail. Then the job is to provide an IT system. They know, very very well, that if they screw up the first part, the second part will be undeliverable. Of course, a local council would not know this. So the blame is entirely on them. That's the job they bid for. They may be cynically doing a bad job on the first part, convincing the local gov that it's their fault, then exploiting that for more time/money. This seems highly likely. A newer tech consultancy might not realise that this is the biz they are in; oracle do. You job is business process consultancy using IT.
  - arethuza 3y ago
    Oracle weren't doing the implementation in this case?
    - captaincaveman 3y ago
      Probably not, more often than not you get a KPMG/Accenture or some one equally useless.
  - mateo1 3y ago
    That's on point. I've witnessed a similar transition within a company, and every time they tell you "automate X" and you ask "Define X", you get a wrong answer. Even basic calculations are often done incorrectly or with hidden and inconsistent assumptions. I was always too focused on detail to do what others did in my position: somehow deliver a number they like and stop asking difficult questions.
navane 3y ago
That's it. All problems solved by a week of smart work get zero recognition, because "it was an easy problem". But if you tender to the oracle's of the world, use teams of people, preferable switch sub contractor half way, it looks like a massive undertaking with the appropriate recognition. Corporate snakery is all about visibility.

arethuza 3y ago

If I had to guess I doubt if this was actually Oracle's fault - sounds like implementation problems not problems with software itself?

mjburgess 3y ago
When you hire a company like oracle to create you a business system, they already know that their job is primarily to characterise your existing processes, suggest new ones, document existing ones -- to very high levels of detail. Then the job is to provide an IT system. They know, very very well, that if they screw up the first part, the second part will be undeliverable. Of course, a local council would not know this. So the blame is entirely on them. That's the job they bid for. They may be cynically doing a bad job on the first part, convincing the local gov that it's their fault, then exploiting that for more time/money. This seems highly likely. A newer tech consultancy might not realise that this is the biz they are in; oracle do. You job is business process consultancy using IT.
- arethuza 3y ago
  Oracle weren't doing the implementation in this case?
  - captaincaveman 3y ago
    Probably not, more often than not you get a KPMG/Accenture or some one equally useless.
- mateo1 3y ago
  That's on point. I've witnessed a similar transition within a company, and every time they tell you "automate X" and you ask "Define X", you get a wrong answer. Even basic calculations are often done incorrectly or with hidden and inconsistent assumptions. I was always too focused on detail to do what others did in my position: somehow deliver a number they like and stop asking difficult questions.

navane 3y ago

That's it. All problems solved by a week of smart work get zero recognition, because "it was an easy problem". But if you tender to the oracle's of the world, use teams of people, preferable switch sub contractor half way, it looks like a massive undertaking with the appropriate recognition. Corporate snakery is all about visibility.