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The same eco activists who are anti nuclear but not anti coal in their back yard and who travel yearly across the globe to vacations in east Asia.

account42 3y ago
You can blame the government-controlled media for fostering that mindset.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  No but you see, the media in Germany is definitely NOT government controlled, it's akshually only government funded via the Rundfunkbeitrag and must follow all government imposed restrictions, but other than that it's pinky promise 100% free from political influence and its management is totally NOT connected to people in power, similarly how former German chancellors have not been connected to Russian gas.
lukan 3y ago
In this case, nope. They are also very much against coal and probably were involved with the occupation of the Hambacher Forst to stop more coal extraction(something I supported as well). And it is likely that they are so radical, that they don't fly. You are talking about a different group with the vacation in Bali after blocking streets in germany, eco groups are really not that homogenous.
- soco 3y ago
  But mashing them all together in one homogeneous group makes them an easier target for ridicule, damn the reality.
- mantas 3y ago
  All communities have some diversity in them. Maybe they should pay attention to their hypocrite peers too.
  - littlestymaar 3y ago
    And then what? Exclude them from the club?
    - mantas 3y ago
      It's up to the club. But if a club is fine with hypocrite posers, then it is a hypocrite posers club. Which is fine. Many people want to be hardcore, but their moms don't let them.
      - lukan 3y ago
        What's hardcore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPtEfirTn30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPtEfirTn30
      - littlestymaar 3y ago
        You missed the irony entirely: there's no club and no gatekeepers. Stupid people and hypocrite will use the same banner you do and sometimes it will be false flags as well, such is life and that's why you should never judge a group on their most stupid members, because on the Internet there's no barrier to entry and anyone can claim to belong to the group, even if everyone else in the group thinks they are morons.
        mantas 3y ago
        Climate-wise, those hypocrites is a good chunk of that demographic. I'll change my mind when I see those people calling out en-masse mass long distance tourism. Or Greta yachta BS which generated much more pollution than 2 passengers in a regular flight, let alone zoom call. How many stupid members do you need to call a club stupid? 20%? 50%? 80%?
        littlestymaar 3y ago
        The club needs to exist as such in the first place… People saying things about climate are like people doing sport, there are hundreds of very distinct groups with wildly different ethos or behaviors. It wouldn't make any sense to put you in the same club as coal runners right, would it?

account42 3y ago

You can blame the government-controlled media for fostering that mindset.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
No but you see, the media in Germany is definitely NOT government controlled, it's akshually only government funded via the Rundfunkbeitrag and must follow all government imposed restrictions, but other than that it's pinky promise 100% free from political influence and its management is totally NOT connected to people in power, similarly how former German chancellors have not been connected to Russian gas.

lukan 3y ago

In this case, nope. They are also very much against coal and probably were involved with the occupation of the Hambacher Forst to stop more coal extraction(something I supported as well). And it is likely that they are so radical, that they don't fly. You are talking about a different group with the vacation in Bali after blocking streets in germany, eco groups are really not that homogenous.

soco 3y ago
But mashing them all together in one homogeneous group makes them an easier target for ridicule, damn the reality.
mantas 3y ago
All communities have some diversity in them. Maybe they should pay attention to their hypocrite peers too.
- littlestymaar 3y ago
  And then what? Exclude them from the club?
  - mantas 3y ago
    It's up to the club. But if a club is fine with hypocrite posers, then it is a hypocrite posers club. Which is fine. Many people want to be hardcore, but their moms don't let them.
    - lukan 3y ago
      What's hardcore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPtEfirTn30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPtEfirTn30
    - littlestymaar 3y ago
      You missed the irony entirely: there's no club and no gatekeepers. Stupid people and hypocrite will use the same banner you do and sometimes it will be false flags as well, such is life and that's why you should never judge a group on their most stupid members, because on the Internet there's no barrier to entry and anyone can claim to belong to the group, even if everyone else in the group thinks they are morons.
      - mantas 3y ago
        Climate-wise, those hypocrites is a good chunk of that demographic. I'll change my mind when I see those people calling out en-masse mass long distance tourism. Or Greta yachta BS which generated much more pollution than 2 passengers in a regular flight, let alone zoom call. How many stupid members do you need to call a club stupid? 20%? 50%? 80%?
        littlestymaar 3y ago
        The club needs to exist as such in the first place… People saying things about climate are like people doing sport, there are hundreds of very distinct groups with wildly different ethos or behaviors. It wouldn't make any sense to put you in the same club as coal runners right, would it?