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>If you’re a right-winger who feels tempted to dismiss this response, imagine having to sit through a six-week diversity training workshop and give the answers

>If you’re a right-winger who feels tempted to dismiss this response, imagine having to sit through a six-week diversity training workshop and give the answers the lecturer wants or else you’ll fail If only bachelor's degrees could be gotten in six weeks

aszantu 3y ago
if you know all the answers you can just memorize the answers and fly through the exams w/o knowing anything really - unless it's a bachelor of science where you actually have to understand the concepts to do the math or programming
- iraqmtpizza 3y ago
  yes indeedy four years of diversity training for the low low price of $150,000. but at the end it's all worth it because you can express your true thoughts when you get to the workplace
- demondemidi 3y ago
  Do you lack the meta cognition to see that you just dismissed everything except science and programming as rote mindless regurgitation, or are you being wildly sarcastic? Because your post is a walking hacker news trope.
  - aszantu 3y ago
    If you can pass the exams with the knowledge you have, you don't need to study for four years unless you want to spend the money. If you can't, feel free to repeat the exams after four years of studying. The whole system is a game and you can either play it honest or game it to earn more money with the phd. The losers are the honest ppl, who think they can study and then try to work their loans off for the next 10-15 years...
nathan_compton 3y ago
I've been through a lot of diversity training and I've never been compelled to say anything or even fill out a quiz that went beyond "did you listen to this material." If I was ever expected to parrot a party line it was _always_ "Tell us you understand that we can get sued if you do X." I work in an area where DEI is emphasized more than even at a University in general. I've never found it to be particularly onerous and often find it interesting. When people act like these often banal things (often more or less explicitly directed towards shielding the organization from liability) are compelled speech in front of a firing squad, I have to wonder whether they've really done any. Incidentally, I've seen old white guys say all sorts of stuff at these trainings. I've never heard of anyone getting fired or pushed out of a position.
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- iraqmtpizza 3y ago
  Sounds like you've never attended an American university. I envy you.
  - nathan_compton 3y ago
    Man, I attended American universities my whole life and I work at one.
    - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
      Then you lack any empathy for anyone who has to falsify their beliefs to get a grade. You doubt that I had to come in after class to get the content my speech approved for public speaking class because conservative radio might have naughty ideas, even though it's censored by the FCC (yes, speech class, in which the content of the speech is completely beside the point)? This was like 2010. I can only imagine how bad it is today
      - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
advael 3y ago
Weird I got my bachelor's in a pretty famously left-leaning place and zero of my grades depended on attending any diversity trainings whatsoever That said, I also might be speaking from the privileged position of not having as many triggers about this topic as many others. I can't tell you how many people I've met for whom completely innocuous-seeming things - such as a person going out of their way to separate some recycling from their garbage - can set off quite the tirade about "wokeism" or whatever. I have to have sympathy for these poor souls. They've clearly been through a lot
- guappa 3y ago
  I have heard 1st hand a guy who loves to bicycle tell a disabled man (who can in no way bicycle) that he must never buy a car, because they are bad for the environment. A different time, a woman passing by felt the need to stop and scold a friend who had said a non politically correct joke, explaining that he could only laugh at them because he's a privileged white male. He's a privileged white male immigrant whose school time included training to run into bomb shelters because there was a war going on. And the woman was a white non-immigrant. People who scold you for saying words such as "ghetto" or "retard" will then say "lame". I've met so many of these people. They're so boring and entitled. In general I think anyone not minding their own business when nobody is getting harmed is boring and entitled. On both sides of the woke fence.
  - subjectsigma 3y ago
    Ha, I have so many of these. I think my favorite was getting scolded one time for saying the pandemic was “almost over” because that was a “dangerous idea”. I was in an elevator with the woman scolding me. Perfect stranger, no idea who she was. I was wearing a N95 mask and she had no face covering.

aszantu 3y ago

if you know all the answers you can just memorize the answers and fly through the exams w/o knowing anything really - unless it's a bachelor of science where you actually have to understand the concepts to do the math or programming

iraqmtpizza 3y ago
yes indeedy four years of diversity training for the low low price of $150,000. but at the end it's all worth it because you can express your true thoughts when you get to the workplace
demondemidi 3y ago
Do you lack the meta cognition to see that you just dismissed everything except science and programming as rote mindless regurgitation, or are you being wildly sarcastic? Because your post is a walking hacker news trope.
- aszantu 3y ago
  If you can pass the exams with the knowledge you have, you don't need to study for four years unless you want to spend the money. If you can't, feel free to repeat the exams after four years of studying. The whole system is a game and you can either play it honest or game it to earn more money with the phd. The losers are the honest ppl, who think they can study and then try to work their loans off for the next 10-15 years...

nathan_compton 3y ago

I've been through a lot of diversity training and I've never been compelled to say anything or even fill out a quiz that went beyond "did you listen to this material." If I was ever expected to parrot a party line it was _always_ "Tell us you understand that we can get sued if you do X." I work in an area where DEI is emphasized more than even at a University in general. I've never found it to be particularly onerous and often find it interesting. When people act like these often banal things (often more or less explicitly directed towards shielding the organization from liability) are compelled speech in front of a firing squad, I have to wonder whether they've really done any. Incidentally, I've seen old white guys say all sorts of stuff at these trainings. I've never heard of anyone getting fired or pushed out of a position.

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iraqmtpizza 3y ago
Sounds like you've never attended an American university. I envy you.
- nathan_compton 3y ago
  Man, I attended American universities my whole life and I work at one.
  - iraqmtpizza 3y ago
    Then you lack any empathy for anyone who has to falsify their beliefs to get a grade. You doubt that I had to come in after class to get the content my speech approved for public speaking class because conservative radio might have naughty ideas, even though it's censored by the FCC (yes, speech class, in which the content of the speech is completely beside the point)? This was like 2010. I can only imagine how bad it is today
    - iraqmtpizza 3y ago

advael 3y ago

Weird I got my bachelor's in a pretty famously left-leaning place and zero of my grades depended on attending any diversity trainings whatsoever That said, I also might be speaking from the privileged position of not having as many triggers about this topic as many others. I can't tell you how many people I've met for whom completely innocuous-seeming things - such as a person going out of their way to separate some recycling from their garbage - can set off quite the tirade about "wokeism" or whatever. I have to have sympathy for these poor souls. They've clearly been through a lot

guappa 3y ago
I have heard 1st hand a guy who loves to bicycle tell a disabled man (who can in no way bicycle) that he must never buy a car, because they are bad for the environment. A different time, a woman passing by felt the need to stop and scold a friend who had said a non politically correct joke, explaining that he could only laugh at them because he's a privileged white male. He's a privileged white male immigrant whose school time included training to run into bomb shelters because there was a war going on. And the woman was a white non-immigrant. People who scold you for saying words such as "ghetto" or "retard" will then say "lame". I've met so many of these people. They're so boring and entitled. In general I think anyone not minding their own business when nobody is getting harmed is boring and entitled. On both sides of the woke fence.
- subjectsigma 3y ago
  Ha, I have so many of these. I think my favorite was getting scolded one time for saying the pandemic was “almost over” because that was a “dangerous idea”. I was in an elevator with the woman scolding me. Perfect stranger, no idea who she was. I was wearing a N95 mask and she had no face covering.