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- To me, the teams I work with and everyone handling content moderation. / Rant / Oh God please let these things be bottle necked. The job was already absurd,

- To me, the teams I work with and everyone handling content moderation. / Rant / Oh God please let these things be bottle necked. The job was already absurd, LLMs and GenAI are going to be just frikking amazing to deal with. Spam and manipulative marketing has already evolved - and thats with bounded LLMs. There are comments that look innocuous, well written, but the entire purpose is to low key get someone to do a google search for a firm. And thats on a reddit sub. Completely ignoring the other million types of content moderation that have to adapt. Holy hell people. Attack and denial opportunities on the net are VERY different from the physical world. You want to keep a market place of ideas running? Well guess what - If I clog the arteries faster than you can get ideas in place, then people stop getting those ideas. And you CANT solve it by adding MORE content. You have only X amount of attention. (This was a growing issue radio->tv->cable->Internet scales) Unless someone is sticking a chip into our heads to increase processing capacity magically, more content isnt going to help. And in case someone comes up with some brilliant edge case - Does it generalize to a billion+ people ? Can it be operationalized? Does it require a sweet little grandma in the Philippines to learn how to run a federated server? Does it assume people will stop behaving like people? Oh also - does it cost money and engineering resources? Well guess what, T&S is a cost center. Heck - T&S reduces churn, and that its protecting revenue is a novel argument today. T&S has existed for a decade plus. / Rant. Hmm, seems like I need a break. I suppose It’s been one of those weeks. I will most likely delete this out of shame eventually. - People in other places want more controls. The Indian government and a large portion of the populace will want stricter controls on what can be generated from an LLM. This may not necessarily be good for free thought and culture, however the reality is that many nations haven’t travelled the same distance or path as America has.

AdrianEGraphene 3y ago
I hope you don't delete it! I enjoyed reading it. It pleased my confirmation bias, anyways. Your comment might help someone notice patterns that they've been glancing over.... I liked it up until the T&S part. My eyes glazed over the rest since I didn't know what T&S means. But that's just me.
BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
As of right now, the only solution I see is forums walled off in some way, complex captchas, intense proof of work, subscription fees etc. Only alternative might be obscurity, which makes the forum less useful. Maybe we could do like a web3 type thing but instead of pointless cryptos, you have a cryptographic proof that certifies you did the captcha or whatever and lots of sites accept them. I don’t think its unsolvable, just that it will make the internet somewhat worse.
- BlueTemplar 3y ago
  Yeah, one thing I am afraid of is that forums will decide to join the Discord chatrooms on the deep web : stop being readable without an account, which is pretty catastrophic for discovery by search engines and backup crawlers like the Internet Archive. Anyone with forum moderating experience care to chime in ? (Reddit, while still on the open web for now, isn't a forum, and worse, is a platform.)
johnnyanmac 3y ago
>And in case someone comes up with some brilliant edge case - Does it generalize to a billion+ people ? The answer is curation, and no, it doesn't need to scale to a billion people. maybe not even a million. The sad fact of life is that most people don't care enough to discrminate against low quality content, so they are already a lost cause. Focus on those who do care enough and build an audience around them. You as a likely not billion dollar company can't afford to worry about that kind of scale, and lowering the scale helps you get a solution out for the short term. You can worry about scaling if/when you tap into an audience.
- intended 3y ago
  I get you. That’s sounds more like membership than curation though. Or a mashup of both. But yes- once you stop dropping constraints you can imagine all sorts of solutions. It does work. I’m a huge advocate of it. When threads said no politics I wanted to find whoever made that decision and give them a medal. But if you are a platform - or a social media site - or a species.? You can’t pick and choose. And remember - everyone has a vote. As good as your community is, we do not live in a vacuum. If information wars are going on outside your digital fortress, it’s still going to spill into real life
troyvit 3y ago
> This may not necessarily be good for free thought and culture After reading the rest of your rant (I hope you keep it) ... maybe free thought and culture aren't what LLMs are for.

AdrianEGraphene 3y ago

I hope you don't delete it! I enjoyed reading it. It pleased my confirmation bias, anyways. Your comment might help someone notice patterns that they've been glancing over.... I liked it up until the T&S part. My eyes glazed over the rest since I didn't know what T&S means. But that's just me.

BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago

As of right now, the only solution I see is forums walled off in some way, complex captchas, intense proof of work, subscription fees etc. Only alternative might be obscurity, which makes the forum less useful. Maybe we could do like a web3 type thing but instead of pointless cryptos, you have a cryptographic proof that certifies you did the captcha or whatever and lots of sites accept them. I don’t think its unsolvable, just that it will make the internet somewhat worse.

BlueTemplar 3y ago
Yeah, one thing I am afraid of is that forums will decide to join the Discord chatrooms on the deep web : stop being readable without an account, which is pretty catastrophic for discovery by search engines and backup crawlers like the Internet Archive. Anyone with forum moderating experience care to chime in ? (Reddit, while still on the open web for now, isn't a forum, and worse, is a platform.)

johnnyanmac 3y ago

>And in case someone comes up with some brilliant edge case - Does it generalize to a billion+ people ? The answer is curation, and no, it doesn't need to scale to a billion people. maybe not even a million. The sad fact of life is that most people don't care enough to discrminate against low quality content, so they are already a lost cause. Focus on those who do care enough and build an audience around them. You as a likely not billion dollar company can't afford to worry about that kind of scale, and lowering the scale helps you get a solution out for the short term. You can worry about scaling if/when you tap into an audience.

intended 3y ago
I get you. That’s sounds more like membership than curation though. Or a mashup of both. But yes- once you stop dropping constraints you can imagine all sorts of solutions. It does work. I’m a huge advocate of it. When threads said no politics I wanted to find whoever made that decision and give them a medal. But if you are a platform - or a social media site - or a species.? You can’t pick and choose. And remember - everyone has a vote. As good as your community is, we do not live in a vacuum. If information wars are going on outside your digital fortress, it’s still going to spill into real life

troyvit 3y ago

> This may not necessarily be good for free thought and culture After reading the rest of your rant (I hope you keep it) ... maybe free thought and culture aren't what LLMs are for.