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In my eyes this is a straw argument. "[T]otally OK not to share the science." I think the reasonable average person would disagree with that. And, it would go

In my eyes this is a straw argument. "[T]otally OK not to share the science." I think the reasonable average person would disagree with that. And, it would go against certain goal & financial transparency principles that the IRS demands to bestow the 501(c)3 designation. (e.g. see here https://www.citizen.org/article/letter-to-california-attorney-general-on-openais-nonprofit-status/ https://www.citizen.org/article/letter-to-california-attorne...)

chatmasta 3y ago
Ilya's justification for that argument was to link to a SlateStarCodex blog post. We are doomed...
- Atotalnoob 3y ago
  What’s wrong with slatestarcodex? I’ve never heard of them before
  - jbc1 3y ago
    Lucky you! It's some of the best content on the internet. My favourite blog for sure. Same guy has continued on with his writing at https://www.astralcodexten.com https://www.astralcodexten.com which is also pretty good but doesn't reach the same highs. What's wrong with it in context though is that as great as it is, it's just some guys blog. It's disconcerting that people would be working on technology they think is more dangerous than nuclear weapons and basing their approach to safety on a random blog post. Although it's disconcerting to think of a committee deciding how it's approached, or the general public, or AI loving researchers, so it might just be a disconcerting topic. If OpenAI or just Ilya think Scott is the best man to have thinking about it though, I would have at least liked them to pay him to do it full time. Blogging isn't even Scott's full time job, and the majority of his stuff isn't even about AI.
    - penjelly 3y ago
      nobody said thats the only argument Ilya had, but the points from scott alexander are legitimate and could be addressed even before hiring scott on or having an academic paper written.
  - BlueTemplar 3y ago
    Speaking of, I have been wondering how much LLM breakthroughs were helped by Karl Friston ?? https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/03/20/translating-predictive-coding-into-perceptual-control/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/03/20/translating-predictive...
  - sva_ 3y ago
    > I’ve never heard of them before Begin here: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/
- ce4 3y ago
  Where did you get that it was sent by Ilya? The to: field is redacted.
  - snoman 3y ago
    The name is not redacted, only the exact e-mail address.
    - Davidzheng 3y ago
      I don't think it's correct. I think it's sent by redacted and ilya later responded to it. I don't think ilya linked the codex
javierperez 3y ago
“The core algorithms we use today have remained largely unchanged from the ~90s. Not only that, but any algorithmic advances published in a paper somewhere can be almost immediately re-implemented and incorporated.” The fact that these two statements have opposing ideals really highlights the hypocrisy of these billionaires. Ilya’s statement is just them trying to convince themselves that what they’re working on is still a noble cause even if OpenAI isn’t actually “Open”.

chatmasta 3y ago

Ilya's justification for that argument was to link to a SlateStarCodex blog post. We are doomed...

Atotalnoob 3y ago
What’s wrong with slatestarcodex? I’ve never heard of them before
- jbc1 3y ago
  Lucky you! It's some of the best content on the internet. My favourite blog for sure. Same guy has continued on with his writing at https://www.astralcodexten.com https://www.astralcodexten.com which is also pretty good but doesn't reach the same highs. What's wrong with it in context though is that as great as it is, it's just some guys blog. It's disconcerting that people would be working on technology they think is more dangerous than nuclear weapons and basing their approach to safety on a random blog post. Although it's disconcerting to think of a committee deciding how it's approached, or the general public, or AI loving researchers, so it might just be a disconcerting topic. If OpenAI or just Ilya think Scott is the best man to have thinking about it though, I would have at least liked them to pay him to do it full time. Blogging isn't even Scott's full time job, and the majority of his stuff isn't even about AI.
  - penjelly 3y ago
    nobody said thats the only argument Ilya had, but the points from scott alexander are legitimate and could be addressed even before hiring scott on or having an academic paper written.
- BlueTemplar 3y ago
  Speaking of, I have been wondering how much LLM breakthroughs were helped by Karl Friston ?? https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/03/20/translating-predictive-coding-into-perceptual-control/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/03/20/translating-predictive...
- sva_ 3y ago
  > I’ve never heard of them before Begin here: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/
ce4 3y ago
Where did you get that it was sent by Ilya? The to: field is redacted.
- snoman 3y ago
  The name is not redacted, only the exact e-mail address.
  - Davidzheng 3y ago
    I don't think it's correct. I think it's sent by redacted and ilya later responded to it. I don't think ilya linked the codex

javierperez 3y ago

“The core algorithms we use today have remained largely unchanged from the ~90s. Not only that, but any algorithmic advances published in a paper somewhere can be almost immediately re-implemented and incorporated.” The fact that these two statements have opposing ideals really highlights the hypocrisy of these billionaires. Ilya’s statement is just them trying to convince themselves that what they’re working on is still a noble cause even if OpenAI isn’t actually “Open”.