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Public relations. What Musk has said about OpenAI is true: they abandoned their mission and sold themselves off to Microsoft in pursuit of profit, and have no i

Public relations. What Musk has said about OpenAI is true: they abandoned their mission and sold themselves off to Microsoft in pursuit of profit, and have no intention of making the technology (or its rewards) widely available to all. They can’t counter any of these claims credibly, but can still (correctly) paint the messenger as arguing in bad faith to diminish their impact. Being right about all of this doesn’t accrue any material benefit to Musk, however, because the terms of the agreement are so full of loopholes that just about any lawyer can drive a semi through them.

danenania 3y ago
“have no intention of making the technology (or its rewards) widely available to all” Has any organization done more to make AI widely available to all? I can’t think of one. True, they’re not making the source code available. True, they’re making tons of money off it. But their most powerful AI is accessible to anyone with a credit card.
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > their most powerful AI is accessible to anyone with a credit card Only 22.26% of the world's population had credit cards as of 2021.
  - danenania 3y ago
    For people without one, I think ChatGPT free version is also by far the best option available no?
  - deleted 3y ago
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- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  Yes, Meta, Mistral, Allen AI, and many others.
  - danenania 3y ago
    None of those are anywhere close to as easy for the average person to access as OpenAI’s offerings. And none are as good as GPT-4 afaik. There are many arguments one can make against OpenAI. I just don’t see how “they don’t want to make AI widely available” makes any sense at all. A world where OpenAI never existed would clearly be a world where AI is far less accessible to the average person.
    - bugglebeetle 3y ago
      There is no way to reconcile their founding statements and principles with what they’re doing now. They don’t even publish legitimate research papers any longer and barely even try to defend themselves as aligning with their prior mission.
      - danenania 3y ago
        I think in their minds, their mission has always been to make AI widely available. It seems like they initially thought open source and open research were a viable path to achieving that mission, but later they changed their minds. I get why people are upset about that pivot, but considering they single-handedly brought AI out of the research lab and into the mainstream, it seems hard to argue that they were wrong. In any case, sticking to the point of this discussion, there is no indication of any kind that they don’t intend to make AI widely available. It’s like saying McDonald’s doesn’t intend to make hamburgers widely available.
        bugglebeetle 3y ago
        To be clear, widely available is my paraphrase while their founding principles stated that the technology should be “freely available” and explicitly reference open source. That’s entirely inconsistent with what they’re doing now. What you’re calling a “pivot” is just casting aside what they said they stood for in pursuit of money, which fine, whatever, happens all the time. We don’t have to strain ourselves making excuses for them, because, again, they hardly bother to do that themselves.
- redox99 3y ago
  I don't know about "widely available". It's a matter of openess. Coca Cola is widely available, but its not "open" (its recipe is a secret, maybe others have reverse engineered the formula, but Coca Cola Co. intentions always were to keep it a secret).

danenania 3y ago

“have no intention of making the technology (or its rewards) widely available to all” Has any organization done more to make AI widely available to all? I can’t think of one. True, they’re not making the source code available. True, they’re making tons of money off it. But their most powerful AI is accessible to anyone with a credit card.

andsoitis 3y ago
> their most powerful AI is accessible to anyone with a credit card Only 22.26% of the world's population had credit cards as of 2021.
- danenania 3y ago
  For people without one, I think ChatGPT free version is also by far the best option available no?
- deleted 3y ago
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bugglebeetle 3y ago
Yes, Meta, Mistral, Allen AI, and many others.
- danenania 3y ago
  None of those are anywhere close to as easy for the average person to access as OpenAI’s offerings. And none are as good as GPT-4 afaik. There are many arguments one can make against OpenAI. I just don’t see how “they don’t want to make AI widely available” makes any sense at all. A world where OpenAI never existed would clearly be a world where AI is far less accessible to the average person.
  - bugglebeetle 3y ago
    There is no way to reconcile their founding statements and principles with what they’re doing now. They don’t even publish legitimate research papers any longer and barely even try to defend themselves as aligning with their prior mission.
    - danenania 3y ago
      I think in their minds, their mission has always been to make AI widely available. It seems like they initially thought open source and open research were a viable path to achieving that mission, but later they changed their minds. I get why people are upset about that pivot, but considering they single-handedly brought AI out of the research lab and into the mainstream, it seems hard to argue that they were wrong. In any case, sticking to the point of this discussion, there is no indication of any kind that they don’t intend to make AI widely available. It’s like saying McDonald’s doesn’t intend to make hamburgers widely available.
      - bugglebeetle 3y ago
        To be clear, widely available is my paraphrase while their founding principles stated that the technology should be “freely available” and explicitly reference open source. That’s entirely inconsistent with what they’re doing now. What you’re calling a “pivot” is just casting aside what they said they stood for in pursuit of money, which fine, whatever, happens all the time. We don’t have to strain ourselves making excuses for them, because, again, they hardly bother to do that themselves.
redox99 3y ago
I don't know about "widely available". It's a matter of openess. Coca Cola is widely available, but its not "open" (its recipe is a secret, maybe others have reverse engineered the formula, but Coca Cola Co. intentions always were to keep it a secret).