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Elon makes plenty of companies, him making an AI company that he was in control of doesn't look bad or strange at all.

hackerlight 3y ago
He was pushing them to do the thing he's suing them over. > Message to Elon: "A for-profit pivot might create a more sustainable revenue stream" > Elon: You are right ... and Tesla is the only path. Then 3 weeks later Elon gets kicked off the board, probably after a fight where he tried to make OpenAI become for-profit under Tesla. How can you not see how conniving this man is? The lawsuit is either a revenge play or a play to take down xAI's competition.
- Jensson 3y ago
  Oh, I read that as if it was the founding stage, not 2 years later. Yeah I agree it puts things in perspective a bit.
- boringg 3y ago
  Kicked off the board? Thats news to me.
  - hackerlight 3y ago
    > In late 2017, we and Elon decided the next step for the mission was to create a for-profit entity. Elon wanted majority equity, initial board control, and to be CEO. In the middle of these discussions, he withheld funding. Reid Hoffman bridged the gap to cover salaries and operations. I misspoke. He may have just resigned from the board when he didn't get what he wanted.
    - boringg 3y ago
      Indeed he did resign - which is a significant difference.
TheAlchemist 3y ago
I was talking about his public image - 'founder' of Tesla, doing everything for the love of humanity etc. It's all bullshit, and these emails show it again. He is an extraordinary businessman of course - but everything he does, he does for money and power - mostly coming from government subsides btw. Until recently though, he managed to make most believe that it was to save the planet and the humanity.
- KTibow 3y ago
  At this point most people didn't think Elon was a good guy even before these emails leaked
  - adamors 3y ago
    Yes, he has shown his true self when he called the British diver, who was rescuing kids out of cave in Thailand, a pedophile. That was more than 5 years ago.
    - consumer451 3y ago
      Morals, ethics, and not being a jerk aside, Musk has now proven that he is just plain not thinking things through, when he: 1) Released the original Boring Company idea about tiny tunnels under LA to alleviate road traffic, which could easily be shot down by anyone modeling it on a single paper napkin. 2) Got caught up in ontological (theistic) arguments about alien scientists who had surely created a computer simulation in which we all live. 3) In an effort to prevent the inevitable AI overlords from controlling us, bought a company to create a ubiquitous neural interface so that computers have read/write access to our brains, of which somehow the AI overlords will not take advantage. This was all as of 2018. I still give him credit for previous accomplishments, but in aggregate, it is arguable that Elon Musk's new found ability to avoid thinking things through might be our "Great Filter."
      - polygamous_bat 3y ago
        This reminds me of a quip I heard on twitter and found quite funny. “Elon is the stupid people’s fantasy of what being smart is like, just like Trump can be a poor person’s fantasy of what being rich is like.” Don’t agree entirely in the poor part, but the Elon part I find quite accurate.

He was pushing them to do the thing he's suing them over. > Message to Elon: "A for-profit pivot might create a more sustainable revenue stream" > Elon: You are right ... and Tesla is the only path. Then 3 weeks later Elon gets kicked off the board, probably after a fight where he tried to make OpenAI become for-profit under Tesla. How can you not see how conniving this man is? The lawsuit is either a revenge play or a play to take down xAI's competition.

Jensson 3y ago
Oh, I read that as if it was the founding stage, not 2 years later. Yeah I agree it puts things in perspective a bit.
boringg 3y ago
Kicked off the board? Thats news to me.
- hackerlight 3y ago
  > In late 2017, we and Elon decided the next step for the mission was to create a for-profit entity. Elon wanted majority equity, initial board control, and to be CEO. In the middle of these discussions, he withheld funding. Reid Hoffman bridged the gap to cover salaries and operations. I misspoke. He may have just resigned from the board when he didn't get what he wanted.
  - boringg 3y ago
    Indeed he did resign - which is a significant difference.

TheAlchemist 3y ago

I was talking about his public image - 'founder' of Tesla, doing everything for the love of humanity etc. It's all bullshit, and these emails show it again. He is an extraordinary businessman of course - but everything he does, he does for money and power - mostly coming from government subsides btw. Until recently though, he managed to make most believe that it was to save the planet and the humanity.

KTibow 3y ago
At this point most people didn't think Elon was a good guy even before these emails leaked
- adamors 3y ago
  Yes, he has shown his true self when he called the British diver, who was rescuing kids out of cave in Thailand, a pedophile. That was more than 5 years ago.
  - consumer451 3y ago
    Morals, ethics, and not being a jerk aside, Musk has now proven that he is just plain not thinking things through, when he: 1) Released the original Boring Company idea about tiny tunnels under LA to alleviate road traffic, which could easily be shot down by anyone modeling it on a single paper napkin. 2) Got caught up in ontological (theistic) arguments about alien scientists who had surely created a computer simulation in which we all live. 3) In an effort to prevent the inevitable AI overlords from controlling us, bought a company to create a ubiquitous neural interface so that computers have read/write access to our brains, of which somehow the AI overlords will not take advantage. This was all as of 2018. I still give him credit for previous accomplishments, but in aggregate, it is arguable that Elon Musk's new found ability to avoid thinking things through might be our "Great Filter."
    - polygamous_bat 3y ago
      This reminds me of a quip I heard on twitter and found quite funny. “Elon is the stupid people’s fantasy of what being smart is like, just like Trump can be a poor person’s fantasy of what being rich is like.” Don’t agree entirely in the poor part, but the Elon part I find quite accurate.