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> Likewise, the fact that Mozilla neglects to criticize Apple Good points, and furthermore that bit isn't even accurate. Mozilla has been critical of Apple too

by azakai 15y ago

> Likewise, the fact that Mozilla neglects to criticize Apple Good points, and furthermore that bit isn't even accurate. Mozilla has been critical of Apple too. But Windows RT is a new product, so there is new cricitism; the criticism of Apple is old.

rbanffy 15y ago
WinRT is not a new product - it's a new API sitting on top of mostly the same Windows kernel they use for Windows 7.
- recoiledsnake 15y ago
  Windows RT = New product meant for ARM devices (the current topic of discussion) WinRT = New runtime API for Metro apps that will run on both Windows 8 and Windows RT.
  - rbanffy 15y ago
    So, it's as much a new product as were Silverlight, WPF and .NET - all layers that allowed apps written for them to run on Windows-based devices. The kernel underneath is the same.
cooldeal 15y ago
>Mozilla has been critical of Apple too. Care to link to them? I am not being facetious, I am genuinely interested in seeing their official statements on this and if they've publicly called Apple to open up iOS to Firefox. Bonus points if they've alluded to antitrust law.
- azakai 15y ago
  > Care to link to them? For example, here is criticism from a top Mozilla dev on iOS's closedness, http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_frm/thread/3f6f35a0d9447c23/28e1bd20f93a36ac?lnk=gst&q=ios+closed#28e1bd20f93a36ac http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_f... > Bonus points if they've alluded to antitrust law. How can criticism of Apple be related to antitrust law? What monopoly do they have?
  - kprobst 15y ago
    > What monopoly do they have? Do they not have what is essentially a monopoly on the tablet space? I'm not up to date on Android tablet market share, but it seems to me that there isn't so much a market for tablets as there is one for iPads. Everything else is pretty much nonexistent. I might be wrong about that, I guess.
    - azakai 15y ago
      http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/05/03/amazons-tablet-market-share-dwindles-says-idc/ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/05/03/amazons-tablet-market... Apple has 68% of the market. It's in a very powerful position, but it isn't a monopoly.
      - kprobst 15y ago
        I stand corrected, thank you. I thought it was far higher.
      - sses 15y ago
        That's higher than Google's share of the US search market, according to comScore. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/googles-web-search-market-share-rises-in-april-2012-05-11 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/googles-web-search-market-s...
        azakai 15y ago
        What does tablet market share have to do with search market share?
      - jroseattle 15y ago
        Using percentages to decide monopoly status isn't relevant. There are far greater factors involved, as the DOJ/MS trial established precedent in that respect.
  - cooldeal 15y ago
    I fail to see how a random post by a dev on Usenet is remotely close to an official statement by the General Counsel of Mozilla on the company blog.

by azakai 15y ago

rbanffy 15y ago

WinRT is not a new product - it's a new API sitting on top of mostly the same Windows kernel they use for Windows 7.

recoiledsnake 15y ago
Windows RT = New product meant for ARM devices (the current topic of discussion) WinRT = New runtime API for Metro apps that will run on both Windows 8 and Windows RT.
- rbanffy 15y ago
  So, it's as much a new product as were Silverlight, WPF and .NET - all layers that allowed apps written for them to run on Windows-based devices. The kernel underneath is the same.

cooldeal 15y ago

>Mozilla has been critical of Apple too. Care to link to them? I am not being facetious, I am genuinely interested in seeing their official statements on this and if they've publicly called Apple to open up iOS to Firefox. Bonus points if they've alluded to antitrust law.

azakai 15y ago
> Care to link to them? For example, here is criticism from a top Mozilla dev on iOS's closedness, http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_frm/thread/3f6f35a0d9447c23/28e1bd20f93a36ac?lnk=gst&q=ios+closed#28e1bd20f93a36ac http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_f... > Bonus points if they've alluded to antitrust law. How can criticism of Apple be related to antitrust law? What monopoly do they have?
- kprobst 15y ago
  > What monopoly do they have? Do they not have what is essentially a monopoly on the tablet space? I'm not up to date on Android tablet market share, but it seems to me that there isn't so much a market for tablets as there is one for iPads. Everything else is pretty much nonexistent. I might be wrong about that, I guess.
  - azakai 15y ago
    http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/05/03/amazons-tablet-market-share-dwindles-says-idc/ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/05/03/amazons-tablet-market... Apple has 68% of the market. It's in a very powerful position, but it isn't a monopoly.
    - kprobst 15y ago
      I stand corrected, thank you. I thought it was far higher.
    - sses 15y ago
      That's higher than Google's share of the US search market, according to comScore. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/googles-web-search-market-share-rises-in-april-2012-05-11 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/googles-web-search-market-s...
      - azakai 15y ago
        What does tablet market share have to do with search market share?
    - jroseattle 15y ago
      Using percentages to decide monopoly status isn't relevant. There are far greater factors involved, as the DOJ/MS trial established precedent in that respect.
- cooldeal 15y ago
  I fail to see how a random post by a dev on Usenet is remotely close to an official statement by the General Counsel of Mozilla on the company blog.