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Anyone using their own searx-ng, the metasearch engine? Have you tried Kagi? How is it comparatively when it comes to quality of results given that with searx I

Anyone using their own searx-ng, the metasearch engine? Have you tried Kagi? How is it comparatively when it comes to quality of results given that with searx I can customize the engines and such.

bluish29 3y ago
I was relying on my own self hosted seaexNG before moving to kagi. I still have and use the instance from time to time. Using kagi is better and made my life easier. I stopped worrying about rate limited, bad UI and actually managing and following updates. It also did not solve the problem of ranking. Garbage results still showed. Kagi solved all of these problems and more and I didn't have to spend couple of hours per month to follow updates and manage my instance.
pbronez 3y ago
We have both available as a result of independent & simultaneous innovation/20%/side project things. I’m biased because I own the Kagi side, but have thought about this a bit. SearX has some advantages. It’s free, except for the compute and labor costs. It runs on our infrastructure, so SSO is easy and we have complete visibility on what’s leaving our perimeter. Ignoring nuanced search quality evaluation, SearX main disadvantages are (1) it’s only available on our network, so if you set it as the default search that feature breaks if you’re not at the office or on VPN and (2) it’s slow. Users get a blank page for a meaningful moment before results show up. Kagi is snappy AF and adds solid AI features. Their Universal Summarizer (which isn’t actually LLM powered) works well and the fastGPT is the new standard for open ended information retrieval IMHO. (I have a Perplexity subscription I don’t bother to use) What I want from Kagi is (1) a single payer team plan that gets all the features, (2) more information & contractual guarantees about privacy. I argue that Google is a terrible default, but the brand is trusted while Kagi is still mostly unknown. Now, the real benefit of SearX would be integrated custom search providers for in-house data sources. We haven’t done that, and I’m not confident we have the resources to do it well. This is also something I’d love to get from Kagi, but it’s not well-aligned with their current roadmap. I’m content to use them to search external data and pursue other solutions for internal stuff.
drewbitt 3y ago
I kept getting rate limited or blocked with selfhosted Searx. Kagi is much better since it just works every time.

Anyone using their own searx-ng, the metasearch engine? Have you tried Kagi? How is it comparatively when it comes to quality of results given that with searx I can customize the engines and such.

bluish29 3y ago

I was relying on my own self hosted seaexNG before moving to kagi. I still have and use the instance from time to time. Using kagi is better and made my life easier. I stopped worrying about rate limited, bad UI and actually managing and following updates. It also did not solve the problem of ranking. Garbage results still showed. Kagi solved all of these problems and more and I didn't have to spend couple of hours per month to follow updates and manage my instance.

pbronez 3y ago

We have both available as a result of independent & simultaneous innovation/20%/side project things. I’m biased because I own the Kagi side, but have thought about this a bit. SearX has some advantages. It’s free, except for the compute and labor costs. It runs on our infrastructure, so SSO is easy and we have complete visibility on what’s leaving our perimeter. Ignoring nuanced search quality evaluation, SearX main disadvantages are (1) it’s only available on our network, so if you set it as the default search that feature breaks if you’re not at the office or on VPN and (2) it’s slow. Users get a blank page for a meaningful moment before results show up. Kagi is snappy AF and adds solid AI features. Their Universal Summarizer (which isn’t actually LLM powered) works well and the fastGPT is the new standard for open ended information retrieval IMHO. (I have a Perplexity subscription I don’t bother to use) What I want from Kagi is (1) a single payer team plan that gets all the features, (2) more information & contractual guarantees about privacy. I argue that Google is a terrible default, but the brand is trusted while Kagi is still mostly unknown. Now, the real benefit of SearX would be integrated custom search providers for in-house data sources. We haven’t done that, and I’m not confident we have the resources to do it well. This is also something I’d love to get from Kagi, but it’s not well-aligned with their current roadmap. I’m content to use them to search external data and pursue other solutions for internal stuff.

drewbitt 3y ago

I kept getting rate limited or blocked with selfhosted Searx. Kagi is much better since it just works every time.