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Sure, we will hire a few thousand contractors to form a network of committees and prepare multiple sustainability plans and guidelines for the next seven years.

by seydor 3y ago

Sure, we will hire a few thousand contractors to form a network of committees and prepare multiple sustainability plans and guidelines for the next seven years. We will also declare war illegal and fine violators with 70% of their gdp. Whoever dares to challenge european sovereignty will be met with the collective wrath of our cookie prompts The EU is not only materially incapable of war mode (too many second rate career politicians) but also strategically unaligned. One of its members is occupied by a nato country, and hasn't been supported when threatened. Eastern countries, particularly poland are understandably pushing hard for armament but they will be sorely disappointed when national vetoes start arriving

Staple_Diet 3y ago
>One of its members is occupied by a nato country, and hasn't been supported when threatened. Can you explain?
- seydor 3y ago
  https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/11/the-eus-tolerance-and-double-standards-with-turkey-embolden-erdogan-claims-cyprus-presiden https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/11/the-eus-tolera...
rcbdev 3y ago
On the other hand, when Albania was attacked by Iran in 2022 their prime minister didn't invoke Article 5 because he has "too much respect for our friends and our allies to tell them what they should do." NATO is just as seemingly unfair to its smaller members as is the EU. This is not because of any incompetence per se but rather just a phenomenon in any organization with differently powerful members. Places like US, Germany and Albania will never really be equal due to their respective bargaining powers - no matter what a charta says.
tim333 3y ago
>materially incapable of war mode I think it's more reluctant to go into war mode. Europe did plenty of war in the not too distant past. It was interesting doing a tour of Ypres where my grandad did artillery in WW1. It was really rather similar to the current war in Ukriane - largely static trenches with people lobbing shells at each other. Bigger though - approx 1bn shells fired and 14 million dead. No one really wants to repeat that expect perhaps Putin. I suspect the current slowness in making 1/1000th as many shells is more down to a lack of enthusiasm for the whole business than being less capeable than a century ago. Indeed I thought we were over that stuff but I guess if Putin wants to go retro and roll tanks into the neighbours territories we are forced to respond.

by seydor 3y ago

Staple_Diet 3y ago

>One of its members is occupied by a nato country, and hasn't been supported when threatened. Can you explain?

seydor 3y ago
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/11/the-eus-tolerance-and-double-standards-with-turkey-embolden-erdogan-claims-cyprus-presiden https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/11/the-eus-tolera...

rcbdev 3y ago

On the other hand, when Albania was attacked by Iran in 2022 their prime minister didn't invoke Article 5 because he has "too much respect for our friends and our allies to tell them what they should do." NATO is just as seemingly unfair to its smaller members as is the EU. This is not because of any incompetence per se but rather just a phenomenon in any organization with differently powerful members. Places like US, Germany and Albania will never really be equal due to their respective bargaining powers - no matter what a charta says.

tim333 3y ago

>materially incapable of war mode I think it's more reluctant to go into war mode. Europe did plenty of war in the not too distant past. It was interesting doing a tour of Ypres where my grandad did artillery in WW1. It was really rather similar to the current war in Ukriane - largely static trenches with people lobbing shells at each other. Bigger though - approx 1bn shells fired and 14 million dead. No one really wants to repeat that expect perhaps Putin. I suspect the current slowness in making 1/1000th as many shells is more down to a lack of enthusiasm for the whole business than being less capeable than a century ago. Indeed I thought we were over that stuff but I guess if Putin wants to go retro and roll tanks into the neighbours territories we are forced to respond.