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Modern chiclet keyboards are such an abomination. Does anybody even make laptops with good keyboards anymore or is that a thing of the past now?

danpalmer 3y ago
Is there any hard evidence on this either way? Personally I love them, other than the fact they’re not split for ergonomics.
- dsr_ 3y ago
  It utterly doesn't matter whether there's evidence: it's a matter of personal preference, and the request was for information, not justification.
  - danpalmer 3y ago
    Well it does matter, because I would say that chiclet keyboards are good, but clearly that doesn't answer the question because we have different definitions of "good", hence digging deeper on what is actually good.
    - dsr_ 3y ago
      "what is actually good" for me. for you. This is the difference between subjective and objective parameters. If you want to say that a particular keyboard masses 1.2Kg and has keys with an activation point of 2.1mm at a force of 45 centinewtons, those are objective statements which can be measured, confirmed, and corrected. You can even measure the hand geometry of a million people to come up with a figure about key center distances that will be usable for 70 or 80 or maybe 90% of them. But "chiclets are good" is a subjective statement, a statement of your personal opinion and comfort. It's not measurable, and it cannot be applied to other people. Arguing about subjective statements never convinces anyone. This originated with a person making a subjective statement: "Modern chiclet keyboards are an abomination". There's nothing to argue about there, unless you want to send them a keyboard to try out that you think will somehow convince them over their experience. The sensible courses are to offer options for non-chiclet keyboards, to commiserate, or to remain quiet in the knowledge that you are well-served by chiclet keyboards.
Lammy 3y ago
I use one of the 51nb motherboard upgrades for ThinkPad X201 for this reason. Mine’s an Intel 10th gen which is a few years old but still fine for everything I’ve ever tried to do with it.

danpalmer 3y ago

Is there any hard evidence on this either way? Personally I love them, other than the fact they’re not split for ergonomics.

dsr_ 3y ago
It utterly doesn't matter whether there's evidence: it's a matter of personal preference, and the request was for information, not justification.
- danpalmer 3y ago
  Well it does matter, because I would say that chiclet keyboards are good, but clearly that doesn't answer the question because we have different definitions of "good", hence digging deeper on what is actually good.
  - dsr_ 3y ago
    "what is actually good" for me. for you. This is the difference between subjective and objective parameters. If you want to say that a particular keyboard masses 1.2Kg and has keys with an activation point of 2.1mm at a force of 45 centinewtons, those are objective statements which can be measured, confirmed, and corrected. You can even measure the hand geometry of a million people to come up with a figure about key center distances that will be usable for 70 or 80 or maybe 90% of them. But "chiclets are good" is a subjective statement, a statement of your personal opinion and comfort. It's not measurable, and it cannot be applied to other people. Arguing about subjective statements never convinces anyone. This originated with a person making a subjective statement: "Modern chiclet keyboards are an abomination". There's nothing to argue about there, unless you want to send them a keyboard to try out that you think will somehow convince them over their experience. The sensible courses are to offer options for non-chiclet keyboards, to commiserate, or to remain quiet in the knowledge that you are well-served by chiclet keyboards.

Lammy 3y ago

I use one of the 51nb motherboard upgrades for ThinkPad X201 for this reason. Mine’s an Intel 10th gen which is a few years old but still fine for everything I’ve ever tried to do with it.