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Labor and housing. The only places in economics where supply/demand is never a factor. Such a convenient way for the universe to arrange itself for the people

Labor and housing. The only places in economics where supply/demand is never a factor. Such a convenient way for the universe to arrange itself for the people in power who want immigration huh?

dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
Immigration is a reality, it always has been. There is no broad support for cutting off legal immigration, it's uncontrolled immigration that most people object to. The US has always had huge levels of immigration and probably always will.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  High skill immigration into sectors that are highly productive is fundamentally a different animal than low skill immigration into low paying sectors. The low pay is itself a signal they don't require any more manpower. They can do little productive work with what they currently have and thus can't meaningfully reward who they employ currently, let alone someone new. These two types of immigration are intentionally conflated.
  - dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
    Lots of jobs have low wages, in fact most jobs are not high wage jobs. That doesn't mean the manpower isn't needed it means the jobs inherently can't support a high wage relative to others. If you don't like immigration, then say so, because your arguments make no sense.
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      If the wages are so low that the workers require government assistance, that business isn't productive enough to be allowed to survive in a modern economy. It doesn't produce enough (or its owners demand too much of the rewards, or its customers arent willing to pay, the "reason" is immaterial, those all basically are the same problem). The customers and shareholders aren't entitled to unlimited immigration to prop up their unproductive business model at the cost of the taxpayer. True progressives would seek to raise the living standards of the working poor over importing a slave caste to do the work leaving wages stagnant or in decline.
      - dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
        Your comment is entirely political, and that's not an interesting discussion. And that someone can have a job and qualify for government assistance is pretty bad, and worthy of detailed dissection, but it's got nothing to do with immigations, as much as you'd like it to.

Labor and housing. The only places in economics where supply/demand is never a factor. Such a convenient way for the universe to arrange itself for the people in power who want immigration huh?

dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago

Immigration is a reality, it always has been. There is no broad support for cutting off legal immigration, it's uncontrolled immigration that most people object to. The US has always had huge levels of immigration and probably always will.

willcipriano 3y ago
High skill immigration into sectors that are highly productive is fundamentally a different animal than low skill immigration into low paying sectors. The low pay is itself a signal they don't require any more manpower. They can do little productive work with what they currently have and thus can't meaningfully reward who they employ currently, let alone someone new. These two types of immigration are intentionally conflated.
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
  Lots of jobs have low wages, in fact most jobs are not high wage jobs. That doesn't mean the manpower isn't needed it means the jobs inherently can't support a high wage relative to others. If you don't like immigration, then say so, because your arguments make no sense.
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    If the wages are so low that the workers require government assistance, that business isn't productive enough to be allowed to survive in a modern economy. It doesn't produce enough (or its owners demand too much of the rewards, or its customers arent willing to pay, the "reason" is immaterial, those all basically are the same problem). The customers and shareholders aren't entitled to unlimited immigration to prop up their unproductive business model at the cost of the taxpayer. True progressives would seek to raise the living standards of the working poor over importing a slave caste to do the work leaving wages stagnant or in decline.
    - dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
      Your comment is entirely political, and that's not an interesting discussion. And that someone can have a job and qualify for government assistance is pretty bad, and worthy of detailed dissection, but it's got nothing to do with immigations, as much as you'd like it to.