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We're preventing electric cars to save the earth? I mean, yes, there is an (often unacknowledged) ecological footprint for producing electric cars. They don't
by AnimalMuppet 3y ago
We're preventing electric cars to save the earth?
I mean, yes, there is an (often unacknowledged) ecological footprint for producing electric cars. They don't just grow from magic trees planted by fairies. But are they net better for the environment, or worse? And if better, then, eco-sabotage people, which side are you on?
- sschueller 3y ago[flagged]
- leetharris 3y agoI hate hearing this argument. Nearly all electricity in the world is a blend of sources. Texas, a famously oil and gas state, has the highest amount of renewable energy in America. This is being worked on in parallel. If we wait until we have clean energy everywhere it'll take another 20-30 years to migrate vehicles away from gasoline. Lastly, a single massive oil/gas/coal/etc power plant is more efficient than millions of little generators.
- Gibbon1 3y agoYeah and the mix varies daily and seasonally. During the day in California maybe 60% renewable. At night probably 80% natural gas.
- unethical_ban 3y agoAssuming the charge capacity and transmission lines were in place: Which is easier? Converting 500,000 gasoline cars to solar/wind power, or migrating the power grid off coal/NG and into the expanding wind/solar sources?
- hef19898 3y agoThose are the exact same thing?
- unethical_ban 3y agoMy point is that all these people who ever say "driving EVs powered by a coal plant" completely miss the point that swapping to EV is part of the transition, not the final step.
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- bdcravens 3y agoEven ignoring renewables, internal combustion is way less efficient than electric motors, so it’s still a net win for EVs.
- ninininino 3y agoEdit: sounds like I'm probably just wrong and spreading misinfo here, nvm The irony here is that Germany's "green" party shut down all their nuclear powerplants and replaced them with natural gas from...drumroll...Russia, and can now only support their industry with lignite (cough, coal) which is horrible for the environment. There are strong arguments that the greens were manipulated by FSB, for so perfectly did they sabotage their own economy and industrial base as the new Russian imperalist period has evolved.
- hef19898 3y agoOh man, again? The Greens didn't shut down the NPPs, the CDU/CSU/FDP government under Merkel did after Fukishima, screwing over the previously well done plan from the SPD/Green government. And no, NPPs were not replaced with gas, Germany never really burned gas for electricity. They were replaced, over time since nobody shut them down over night, by a mix of renewables (mainly solar and wind) and coal (bad enough, but at a cobstabt decline regardless). Fun fact: It was the Greens that kept the German NPPs running way beyond the plqn, as long as safely possible with the available fuel, after Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
- ImJamal 3y agoThe SPD/Greens shut down the Stade Nuclear Power Plant in 2003 and the Obrigheim Nuclear Power Plant in 2005. As far as I know this was not "all" that the person you were responding to said, but they absolutely did shut down nuclear plants.
- hef19898 3y agoEverybody is shutting down plants all the time. Because guess what, those power plants have a service life, an economical and a technical one. When one is reached, the plant gets shut down. Whomever is at the helms of goverment doesn't matter, capitalism takes care of this. More important is who set whick policy. The SPD / Green goverment defined a pretty well thought out nuclear exit strategy, one the industry supported. And then the new CDU/CSU/FDP government nixed that policy, only to hastely introduce a a shitty versiom of the previous exit after Fukushima. Under which government a plant then get shut down isn't relevant. By the same logic, one could make the Greens the most pro-nuclear party there is, because a Green minister extended the life time of the German NPPs as much as possible. Because the Green absolutely did that, too.
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- SilasX 3y agoJust like we spent 50+ years preventing nuclear energy rollout to save the earth (and/or prop up fossil fuel usage by total coincidence).
- panick21_ 3y agoEco greens have been opposing subways in Berlin as well. These people are insane.