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Might be related to this event? > The cut lines include Asia-Africa-Europe 1, the Europe India Gateway, Seacom and TGN-Gulf, Hong Kong-based HGC Global Communi

Might be related to this event? > The cut lines include Asia-Africa-Europe 1, the Europe India Gateway, Seacom and TGN-Gulf, Hong Kong-based HGC Global Communications said. It described the cuts as affecting 25% of the traffic flowing through the Red Sea. https://apnews.com/article/red-sea-undersea-cables-yemen-houthi-rebels-attacks-b53051f61a41bd6b357860bbf0b0860a https://apnews.com/article/red-sea-undersea-cables-yemen-hou... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68478828.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68478828.amp

suyash 3y ago
time to move away from undersea cables to satellites.
- BearOso 3y ago
  LEO satellites would be too inconsistent, and further orbits have way too much latency.
- pksebben 3y ago
  We have satellites. We use cables b/c they lack the speed and bandwidth necessary to support the total requirements of the modern internet. Satellite-only is only feasible if you're fine with going back to waiting minutes for your saucy jpegs to load (elder millennials, you know what I'm talkin' about).
  - suyash 3y ago
    ever heard of Musk's Starlink? From thier website "Starlink users typically experience download speeds between 25 and 220 Mbps, with a majority of users experiencing speeds over 100 Mbps" - https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1400-28829-70 https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1400-28829-70
SSLy 3y ago
I was thinking is deploy of DMA "compliant" unbundling the day before it takes force. Could be both.
bhawks 3y ago
> BY JON GAMBRELL Updated 8:25 PM PST, March 4, 2024 Timelines don't match nicely
danbala 3y ago
maybe a long tail consequence of further shifting traffic?
hsuduebc2 3y ago
This shouldn't affect europe. It just stopped working
- wongarsu 3y ago
  Somebody might have fat-fingered a BGP configuration while trying to improve traffic routing that was impacted by the cut cables.
  - hsuduebc2 3y ago
    Yea I thought too that core of this is not at the services itself but at thr network somewhere.
elorant 3y ago
It's not unreachable. I can easily see the FB page on my browser. It's just that even after resetting my password it doesn't accept it. Probably something's fucked up in the credentials database.
ajross 3y ago
Those lines were cut yesterday, so it seems like a poor candidate for explaining the current outages. Likewise the geography doesn't match up with the outages.
toast0 3y ago
I'm pretty sure that report is just mainstream media reporting this week old cut https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/at-least-one-subsea-fiber-cable-damaged-in-the-red-sea-some-reports-blame-houthi-rebels/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/at-least-one-subs... Pretty neat if a week after a cable is cut, FB falls over. Especially when most of the source of truth databases are in the US and Europe, and that sort of data flow doesn't cross the Red Sea. FB has datacenters and points of presence all over, but outside the US/EU it's almost all caching.
- jgehrcke 3y ago
  Thanks for the reference. Yeah, may also be entirely unrelated.
- dylan604 3y ago
  > Pretty neat if a week after a cable is cut, FB falls over. that'd be one helluva cache!!
passwordoops 3y ago
I'm 95% sure it'll turn out to be a mundane config error somewhere
- barkingcat 3y ago
  It will be DNS related.
  - lvncelot 3y ago
    Handy troubleshooting tool for outages: https://isitdns.com/ https://isitdns.com/
    - dylan604 3y ago
      reminds me of http://iscaliforniaonfire.com/ http://iscaliforniaonfire.com/ even if not directly related to topic at hand
  - Infernal 3y ago
    The sysadmin's haiku: It's not DNS There's no way it's DNS It was DNS
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suyash 3y ago

time to move away from undersea cables to satellites.

BearOso 3y ago
LEO satellites would be too inconsistent, and further orbits have way too much latency.
pksebben 3y ago
We have satellites. We use cables b/c they lack the speed and bandwidth necessary to support the total requirements of the modern internet. Satellite-only is only feasible if you're fine with going back to waiting minutes for your saucy jpegs to load (elder millennials, you know what I'm talkin' about).
- suyash 3y ago
  ever heard of Musk's Starlink? From thier website "Starlink users typically experience download speeds between 25 and 220 Mbps, with a majority of users experiencing speeds over 100 Mbps" - https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1400-28829-70 https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1400-28829-70

SSLy 3y ago

I was thinking is deploy of DMA "compliant" unbundling the day before it takes force. Could be both.

bhawks 3y ago

> BY JON GAMBRELL Updated 8:25 PM PST, March 4, 2024 Timelines don't match nicely

danbala 3y ago

maybe a long tail consequence of further shifting traffic?

hsuduebc2 3y ago

This shouldn't affect europe. It just stopped working

wongarsu 3y ago
Somebody might have fat-fingered a BGP configuration while trying to improve traffic routing that was impacted by the cut cables.
- hsuduebc2 3y ago
  Yea I thought too that core of this is not at the services itself but at thr network somewhere.

elorant 3y ago

It's not unreachable. I can easily see the FB page on my browser. It's just that even after resetting my password it doesn't accept it. Probably something's fucked up in the credentials database.

ajross 3y ago

Those lines were cut yesterday, so it seems like a poor candidate for explaining the current outages. Likewise the geography doesn't match up with the outages.

toast0 3y ago

I'm pretty sure that report is just mainstream media reporting this week old cut https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/at-least-one-subsea-fiber-cable-damaged-in-the-red-sea-some-reports-blame-houthi-rebels/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/at-least-one-subs... Pretty neat if a week after a cable is cut, FB falls over. Especially when most of the source of truth databases are in the US and Europe, and that sort of data flow doesn't cross the Red Sea. FB has datacenters and points of presence all over, but outside the US/EU it's almost all caching.

jgehrcke 3y ago
Thanks for the reference. Yeah, may also be entirely unrelated.
dylan604 3y ago
> Pretty neat if a week after a cable is cut, FB falls over. that'd be one helluva cache!!

passwordoops 3y ago

I'm 95% sure it'll turn out to be a mundane config error somewhere

barkingcat 3y ago
It will be DNS related.
- lvncelot 3y ago
  Handy troubleshooting tool for outages: https://isitdns.com/ https://isitdns.com/
  - dylan604 3y ago
    reminds me of http://iscaliforniaonfire.com/ http://iscaliforniaonfire.com/ even if not directly related to topic at hand
- Infernal 3y ago
  The sysadmin's haiku: It's not DNS There's no way it's DNS It was DNS

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