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There's also another option where Apple is just going to wait/lobby the US government to apply pressure on the EU in the hope that this is effective (as it has

There's also another option where Apple is just going to wait/lobby the US government to apply pressure on the EU in the hope that this is effective (as it has been historically). In in the event of another Trump presidency (let us hope this doesn't happen) this is very likely to happen and Biden has made some moves in this direction. The fact that Europe is 100% reliant on the US to stop the Russians conquering Ukraine at the moment doesn't really help. See for example this letter https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-lawmakers-urge-biden-probe-eu-targeting-tech-firms-letter-2023-12-18/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-lawmakers-urge-biden-p... or https://www.politico.eu/article/senator-ted-cruz-slams-us-agency-collusion-eu-tech-rules-dsa/ https://www.politico.eu/article/senator-ted-cruz-slams-us-ag...

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
Neither of those "examples" support the idea that the EU will "back off", especially since pummeling Big Tech is pretty much the only thing these days that has widespread bipartisan support. Your first link is just about congresspeople wanting the laws to be applied fairly. Of course, though, it is (the article also mentions that ByteDance is included), it's just that most big tech companies are from the US. The second article is just about Ted Cruz screeching "collusion!!" because some people in US government are meeting with their counterparts in the EU. That troll's gonna troll, it's a day ending in y.
denton-scratch 3y ago
> The fact that Europe is 100% reliant on the US to stop the Russians conquering Ukraine at the moment This appears to be an "alternative fact", a type of fact that is popular in the USA. It's true that EU countries have historically underspent on defence. But as far as I can see, US supplies of materiel amount to be some MANPADs, some handheld anti-tank missiles, and some Patriot batteries. The (14?) promised Abrams tanks don't seem to have arrived yet; nor have the promised F-16s.
- olabyne 3y ago
  Yes. Looking in the details the US is #1 in material goods. Financial #1 supporter is EU. And things are changing, with doubts and critics in the US and unity and wake-up calls in the EU https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/ https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-s...

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago

Neither of those "examples" support the idea that the EU will "back off", especially since pummeling Big Tech is pretty much the only thing these days that has widespread bipartisan support. Your first link is just about congresspeople wanting the laws to be applied fairly. Of course, though, it is (the article also mentions that ByteDance is included), it's just that most big tech companies are from the US. The second article is just about Ted Cruz screeching "collusion!!" because some people in US government are meeting with their counterparts in the EU. That troll's gonna troll, it's a day ending in y.

denton-scratch 3y ago

> The fact that Europe is 100% reliant on the US to stop the Russians conquering Ukraine at the moment This appears to be an "alternative fact", a type of fact that is popular in the USA. It's true that EU countries have historically underspent on defence. But as far as I can see, US supplies of materiel amount to be some MANPADs, some handheld anti-tank missiles, and some Patriot batteries. The (14?) promised Abrams tanks don't seem to have arrived yet; nor have the promised F-16s.

olabyne 3y ago
Yes. Looking in the details the US is #1 in material goods. Financial #1 supporter is EU. And things are changing, with doubts and critics in the US and unity and wake-up calls in the EU https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/ https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-s...