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> Let me guess, those well-credentialed scientists were named Dr. Jordan Peterson? The most credentialed scientists speaking against the mainstream in Covid po

by sampo 3y ago

> Let me guess, those well-credentialed scientists were named Dr. Jordan Peterson? The most credentialed scientists speaking against the mainstream in Covid policy were: Jay Bhattacharya, Stanford; Martin Kulldorff, Harvard; and Sunetra Gupta, Oxford. They wrote the so called Great Barrington Declaration [1]. They are highly credentialed scientist in epidemiology, and they are professors in some of the World's top institutions. Google, Facebook and pre-Musk Twitter did wrong when censoring them. But make no mistake: Their Covid views were, and are, against the mainstream. For example very different from [2]. Just because you hold the minority opinion and get censored for that, doesn't necessarily mean that you were right. I don't think Jordan Peterson said much anything about Covid when the situation was ongoing? I think Jordan Peterson only started to comment about Covid policy much later, in 2023 and 2024. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration [2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05398-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05398-2

dangus 3y ago
Your own links point out how the Barrington Declaration was bad advice. In particular, it ignored the impact of its goal of fast herd immunity on the capacity of healthcare systems. The libertarian free market think tank that sponsored the report should be more than happy with the freedom of private companies like Google to do as they please with their speech. Google is a private search engine, and they can index whatever they want. An omission of a website from their index is their right.
- sampo 3y ago
  > Your own links point out how the Barrington Declaration was bad advice. Yes, also my personal opinion is that the Great Barrington Declaration is misguided, wrong. And they are the minority opinion. But still, we have to admit that the people behind it are highly credentialed in epidemiology. There are other highly credentialed epidemiologists who hold different views. But there is no strong unified consensus in epidemiology on Covid policy. Censoring university professors, even if we disagree with them, is still wrong. I guess I wouldn't make a very good libertarian.
braiamp 3y ago
Uhg, no. Such things are very bad advice. Healthcare is operating on most cases very lean (partly due the privatization of healthcare) and it would have killed more people if resources were diverted from unavoidable health events to an avoidable one. Every time a physician has to spend 30 minutes with a patient with severe coughs that could have been avoided, that's time that could be reserved to other patients. Every call to 911 would put strain on our health services. Also, lets not ignore the economic consequences for poor families of potentially losing breadwinners individuals due bad luck, also lost of productivity since instead of working from a safe environment, they would get sick.

by sampo 3y ago

dangus 3y ago

Your own links point out how the Barrington Declaration was bad advice. In particular, it ignored the impact of its goal of fast herd immunity on the capacity of healthcare systems. The libertarian free market think tank that sponsored the report should be more than happy with the freedom of private companies like Google to do as they please with their speech. Google is a private search engine, and they can index whatever they want. An omission of a website from their index is their right.

sampo 3y ago
> Your own links point out how the Barrington Declaration was bad advice. Yes, also my personal opinion is that the Great Barrington Declaration is misguided, wrong. And they are the minority opinion. But still, we have to admit that the people behind it are highly credentialed in epidemiology. There are other highly credentialed epidemiologists who hold different views. But there is no strong unified consensus in epidemiology on Covid policy. Censoring university professors, even if we disagree with them, is still wrong. I guess I wouldn't make a very good libertarian.

braiamp 3y ago

Uhg, no. Such things are very bad advice. Healthcare is operating on most cases very lean (partly due the privatization of healthcare) and it would have killed more people if resources were diverted from unavoidable health events to an avoidable one. Every time a physician has to spend 30 minutes with a patient with severe coughs that could have been avoided, that's time that could be reserved to other patients. Every call to 911 would put strain on our health services. Also, lets not ignore the economic consequences for poor families of potentially losing breadwinners individuals due bad luck, also lost of productivity since instead of working from a safe environment, they would get sick.