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This is the exact problem though, noone really cares what the law says, they care that now they have annoying cookie banners. They don't blame the businesses fo

This is the exact problem though, noone really cares what the law says, they care that now they have annoying cookie banners. They don't blame the businesses for this; they blame the EU. The more of this they layer on the more ordinary people get irritated by the EU. This is how Brexit happened, remain tried to explain this stuff over and over again and no one wants to hear it. They want the cookie banners gone, or the bendy banana rules gone. The EU makes itself an easy target everytime they add more. If nothing else was learned from Brexit that should have been the thing. There actually isn't a point where you can spend enough money to convince people of this stuff when they don't want to hear it.

dale_glass 3y ago
> This is the exact problem though, noone really cares what the law says, they care that now they have annoying cookie banners. They don't blame the businesses for this; they blame the EU. European here. I squarely blame the business, and often turn back when hit by a particularly obnoxious banner. > This is how Brexit happened, remain tried to explain this stuff over and over again and no one wants to hear it. They want the cookie banners gone, or the bendy banana rules gone. The EU makes itself an easy target everytime they add more. Nah, that's stupid. The bendy banana thing isn't a law, it's a class descriptor. It just says that if you want to sell bananas labelled as "class A" they can't be bent into a pretzel. Because go figure, when a restaurant buys what is advertised as high quality produce, they don't want to get a shipment full of ugly stuff that doesn't look good on the plate. But you absolutely can sell weird, ugly but still edible bananas. They just have to be described properly. That's again, what the article is speaking about here. > If nothing else was learned from Brexit that should have been the thing. There actually isn't a point where you can spend enough money to convince people of this stuff when they don't want to hear it. Haven't changed my mind in the slightest on that. Brexit was a stupid idea and as far as I can see, the UK failed to profit from it.
- bengale 3y ago
  > European here. I squarely blame the business, and often turn back when hit by a particularly obnoxious banner. You're in the minority. Most people will not think every business is responsible for that, they'll assume they're being forced into it. > The bendy banana thing isn't a law, it's a class descriptor. Missing the point. Even with millions of pounds you can't convince a majority of people that is true. > Haven't changed my mind in the slightest on that. Brexit was a stupid idea and as far as I can see, the UK failed to profit from it. Continue to miss the point here. It doesn't have to be a good idea, years of meddling made it so people were willing to vote for a bad idea. That's my point.
  - dale_glass 3y ago
    > You're in the minority. Most people will not think every business is responsible for that, they'll assume they're being forced into it. They've gotten far less annoying as of late, in good part because the EU made it clear annoying the user into acceptance isn't going to fly. But early on, when websites had the great idea to make me opt out of 78 "partners" one by one, my annoyance was not at the EU, but at the website forcing me to click 78 checkboxes, and a reaction of "WTF? Why are 78 companies being informed I'm reading an article?" > Missing the point. Even with millions of pounds you can't convince a majority of people that is true. Did you know the US also has equivalent banana regulations? > Continue to miss the point here. It doesn't have to be a good idea, years of meddling made it so people were willing to vote for a bad idea. That's my point. Yeah, to their detriment to the point that it killed pretty much every other eurosceptic movement, and apparently they're not that happy with Brexit anymore themselves either.
kerkeslager 3y ago
> This is the exact problem though, noone really cares what the law says, they care that now they have annoying cookie banners. They don't blame the businesses for this; they blame the EU. The more of this they layer on the more ordinary people get irritated by the EU. You're very much speaking from inside a bubble here. The only people I ever hear blame the EU for this, are on HN.
doktrin 3y ago
> There actually isn't a point where you can spend enough money to convince people of this stuff when they don't want to hear it. A bit chicken and the egg, this. Persistent and well funded influence campaigns are precisely how people came to hold the views you describe. I personally wouldn't treat "leave" logic as some kind of particularly organic position. Rather its success demonstrates how one form of persuasion was more effective than another.
- bengale 3y ago
  > Rather its success demonstrates how one form of persuasion was more effective than another. This is true. I'm not sure anyone has demonstrated it working the other way though so it seems to be infinitely more effective. It's happening again now with EVs. "The EU is forcing you to swap your car for an expensive EV with their Euro6 rules." There doesn't seem to be any come back to it at all.

dale_glass 3y ago

> This is the exact problem though, noone really cares what the law says, they care that now they have annoying cookie banners. They don't blame the businesses for this; they blame the EU. European here. I squarely blame the business, and often turn back when hit by a particularly obnoxious banner. > This is how Brexit happened, remain tried to explain this stuff over and over again and no one wants to hear it. They want the cookie banners gone, or the bendy banana rules gone. The EU makes itself an easy target everytime they add more. Nah, that's stupid. The bendy banana thing isn't a law, it's a class descriptor. It just says that if you want to sell bananas labelled as "class A" they can't be bent into a pretzel. Because go figure, when a restaurant buys what is advertised as high quality produce, they don't want to get a shipment full of ugly stuff that doesn't look good on the plate. But you absolutely can sell weird, ugly but still edible bananas. They just have to be described properly. That's again, what the article is speaking about here. > If nothing else was learned from Brexit that should have been the thing. There actually isn't a point where you can spend enough money to convince people of this stuff when they don't want to hear it. Haven't changed my mind in the slightest on that. Brexit was a stupid idea and as far as I can see, the UK failed to profit from it.

bengale 3y ago
> European here. I squarely blame the business, and often turn back when hit by a particularly obnoxious banner. You're in the minority. Most people will not think every business is responsible for that, they'll assume they're being forced into it. > The bendy banana thing isn't a law, it's a class descriptor. Missing the point. Even with millions of pounds you can't convince a majority of people that is true. > Haven't changed my mind in the slightest on that. Brexit was a stupid idea and as far as I can see, the UK failed to profit from it. Continue to miss the point here. It doesn't have to be a good idea, years of meddling made it so people were willing to vote for a bad idea. That's my point.
- dale_glass 3y ago
  > You're in the minority. Most people will not think every business is responsible for that, they'll assume they're being forced into it. They've gotten far less annoying as of late, in good part because the EU made it clear annoying the user into acceptance isn't going to fly. But early on, when websites had the great idea to make me opt out of 78 "partners" one by one, my annoyance was not at the EU, but at the website forcing me to click 78 checkboxes, and a reaction of "WTF? Why are 78 companies being informed I'm reading an article?" > Missing the point. Even with millions of pounds you can't convince a majority of people that is true. Did you know the US also has equivalent banana regulations? > Continue to miss the point here. It doesn't have to be a good idea, years of meddling made it so people were willing to vote for a bad idea. That's my point. Yeah, to their detriment to the point that it killed pretty much every other eurosceptic movement, and apparently they're not that happy with Brexit anymore themselves either.

kerkeslager 3y ago

> This is the exact problem though, noone really cares what the law says, they care that now they have annoying cookie banners. They don't blame the businesses for this; they blame the EU. The more of this they layer on the more ordinary people get irritated by the EU. You're very much speaking from inside a bubble here. The only people I ever hear blame the EU for this, are on HN.

doktrin 3y ago

> There actually isn't a point where you can spend enough money to convince people of this stuff when they don't want to hear it. A bit chicken and the egg, this. Persistent and well funded influence campaigns are precisely how people came to hold the views you describe. I personally wouldn't treat "leave" logic as some kind of particularly organic position. Rather its success demonstrates how one form of persuasion was more effective than another.

bengale 3y ago
> Rather its success demonstrates how one form of persuasion was more effective than another. This is true. I'm not sure anyone has demonstrated it working the other way though so it seems to be infinitely more effective. It's happening again now with EVs. "The EU is forcing you to swap your car for an expensive EV with their Euro6 rules." There doesn't seem to be any come back to it at all.