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>EU citizens haven't been brainwashed into thinking that their government is their enemy, at least not to the same extent as the US. The same phenomenon can be

>EU citizens haven't been brainwashed into thinking that their government is their enemy, at least not to the same extent as the US. The same phenomenon can be seen in other areas, such as digital cash: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dpu6G_UlSdM https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dpu6G_UlSdM On paper, digital cash is superior to both physical cash and digital bank money in almost all aspects, but many Americans oppose it anyway because they see their government as their enemy.

blitzar 3y ago
Yet digital cash is seen by actual true patriots as the solution to free themselves from the enemy the government.
- soco 3y ago
  As an European I fail to see how I could call myself patriot and at the same time distrust my own government - elected by me. Even if I didn't like the government, I'd still go with it because it's representing my country, and I'd also try to change the aspects which I don't like, again because it's my country. Those "actual true patriots" sound to me more like actual true selfish people which only want things happening according to their own ideas and needs.
  - blitzar 3y ago
    Stealing from above; > Distrust of government, and the limiting of its powers, is an American founding principle American Patriots believe defending themselves and their country from an oppressive government is true patriotism. It looks and sounds a lot like you think because taken to its logical conclusion thats exactly what it is.
  - maxwell 3y ago
    As a European, you almost certainly have better representation than most Americans. We haven't expanded the House of Representatives since 1929. We're approaching a million constituents per rep, an extreme outlier among OECD countries: https://www.amacad.org/ourcommonpurpose/enlarging-the-house/section/7 https://www.amacad.org/ourcommonpurpose/enlarging-the-house/... The reason Americans no longer trust Congress is because the Colonists had better representation per constituent (on paper) in British Parliament. Early U.S. representation was in line with Nordic countries today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_apportionment#Controversy_and_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_ap...
    - piva00 3y ago
      Also the US following UK's FPTP system inevitably creates a 2-party system, you simply cannot have just 2 parties representing all of the political spectrum and needs of a nation of 340 million people, and very diverse people at it, across a vast swath of land. Even though most Continental Europe elections end up being a race between 2 major coalitions at least there's fluidity in the composition of these coalitions, sometimes the right-wing coalition embraces the centrist parties, or the greens, sometimes it's the left-wing coalition, this fluidity creates a lot more of nuance and compromise in politics rather than choosing Team Blue vs Team Red. FPTP is a dumb election system.
      - maxwell 3y ago
        Yes, but voting is up to the States. They're free to adopt RCV, as we have here in Maine. Or ban it, as in five other States. But only Congress can repeal the Apportionment Act of 1929. https://nocapfund.org https://nocapfund.org The 118th Congress is on pace to pass the fewest acts ever. Will they hit double digits? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_118th_United_States_Congress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_118th_Unit...
        maxwell 3y ago
        triple*
  - michaelt 3y ago
    > As an European I fail to see how I could call myself patriot and at the same time distrust my own government - elected by me. Can you see how an Italian might love Italy, but think that Silvio Berlusconi seems like a pretty suspicious chap?
    - soco 3y ago
      The patriots mentioned in GP don't distrust Biden, they distrust the entire system and elections and representation, everything. Disliking Berlusconi motivated Italians to vote him out of office, not to burn down Palazzo Chigi. That's the difference I meant above.
  - pjc50 3y ago
    This particular pathology makes more sense when you recall the traitor statues of Robert E Lee, etc; there's a substantial faction in the US which is against the US specifically because it won the civil war and imposed the end of slavery on them, which they remained upset about into the 20th century and schools in Alabama being integrated at gunpoint. That's why the "anti-government" faction doesn't care about civilians being unjustly shot dead by police, because they're not federal government.
willmadden 3y ago
There's a big difference between cryptocurrency and CBDCs.
- blitzar 3y ago
  Also we have been using digital cash for decades now.
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blitzar 3y ago

Yet digital cash is seen by actual true patriots as the solution to free themselves from the enemy the government.

soco 3y ago
As an European I fail to see how I could call myself patriot and at the same time distrust my own government - elected by me. Even if I didn't like the government, I'd still go with it because it's representing my country, and I'd also try to change the aspects which I don't like, again because it's my country. Those "actual true patriots" sound to me more like actual true selfish people which only want things happening according to their own ideas and needs.
- blitzar 3y ago
  Stealing from above; > Distrust of government, and the limiting of its powers, is an American founding principle American Patriots believe defending themselves and their country from an oppressive government is true patriotism. It looks and sounds a lot like you think because taken to its logical conclusion thats exactly what it is.
- maxwell 3y ago
  As a European, you almost certainly have better representation than most Americans. We haven't expanded the House of Representatives since 1929. We're approaching a million constituents per rep, an extreme outlier among OECD countries: https://www.amacad.org/ourcommonpurpose/enlarging-the-house/section/7 https://www.amacad.org/ourcommonpurpose/enlarging-the-house/... The reason Americans no longer trust Congress is because the Colonists had better representation per constituent (on paper) in British Parliament. Early U.S. representation was in line with Nordic countries today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_apportionment#Controversy_and_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_ap...
  - piva00 3y ago
    Also the US following UK's FPTP system inevitably creates a 2-party system, you simply cannot have just 2 parties representing all of the political spectrum and needs of a nation of 340 million people, and very diverse people at it, across a vast swath of land. Even though most Continental Europe elections end up being a race between 2 major coalitions at least there's fluidity in the composition of these coalitions, sometimes the right-wing coalition embraces the centrist parties, or the greens, sometimes it's the left-wing coalition, this fluidity creates a lot more of nuance and compromise in politics rather than choosing Team Blue vs Team Red. FPTP is a dumb election system.
    - maxwell 3y ago
      Yes, but voting is up to the States. They're free to adopt RCV, as we have here in Maine. Or ban it, as in five other States. But only Congress can repeal the Apportionment Act of 1929. https://nocapfund.org https://nocapfund.org The 118th Congress is on pace to pass the fewest acts ever. Will they hit double digits? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_118th_United_States_Congress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_118th_Unit...
      - maxwell 3y ago
        triple*
- michaelt 3y ago
  > As an European I fail to see how I could call myself patriot and at the same time distrust my own government - elected by me. Can you see how an Italian might love Italy, but think that Silvio Berlusconi seems like a pretty suspicious chap?
  - soco 3y ago
    The patriots mentioned in GP don't distrust Biden, they distrust the entire system and elections and representation, everything. Disliking Berlusconi motivated Italians to vote him out of office, not to burn down Palazzo Chigi. That's the difference I meant above.
- pjc50 3y ago
  This particular pathology makes more sense when you recall the traitor statues of Robert E Lee, etc; there's a substantial faction in the US which is against the US specifically because it won the civil war and imposed the end of slavery on them, which they remained upset about into the 20th century and schools in Alabama being integrated at gunpoint. That's why the "anti-government" faction doesn't care about civilians being unjustly shot dead by police, because they're not federal government.

willmadden 3y ago

There's a big difference between cryptocurrency and CBDCs.

blitzar 3y ago
Also we have been using digital cash for decades now.

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