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At least in the case of Apple, it’s not at all specific the the EU. That company is run by children. Everybody who works with Apple, be it developers or suppli

At least in the case of Apple, it’s not at all specific the the EU. That company is run by children. Everybody who works with Apple, be it developers or suppliers complains about how shitty they are to work with. They maintain relationships by the strength of their market power alone. Bridge burning is ingrained into the company culture. Apple is treating the EU like they do everyone else: they are being dicks. Unfortunately they seem to have missed that the EU is not able to be bullied or pushed around.

noirscape 3y ago
I wouldn't say they're children. Rather, Apple is ran by people who are used to the ~20 years of free corporate reign granted to them by the complete defanging of groups like the FTC in the US while Europe was still trying to fruitlessly coax them into being cooperative. It's not just Apple who is struggling to work in an environment where regulators have teeth; Amazon tried to treat the EU the same way and got banned from lobbying the EU parliament for not taking them seriously. Basically the only GAFAM company that took regulators seriously for a while was Microsoft (due to the IE lawsuits) but even they are starting to act out again as of late.
- Sammi 3y ago
  The meteoric rise of MS Azure in Europe is best explained by how they have already had their war with the EU and learned how to work with the EU instead of against it.
overstay8930 3y ago
Apple saw what happened when Google was nice to developers and got shitty camera views in apps and adobe flash. Apple has rightfully concluded that developers do not deserve to have any freedom on their platform because they immediately abuse it for their benefit and to the detriment of the user. Devs got so bad meta lost billions in value when Apple set up a privacy transparency feature in the App Store, say what you want about their repair practices but no other tech company takes this much care in managing their platform.
- gizmo 3y ago
  Any platform operator needs policies to protect users against spam and abuse. But does Apple do a good job at this? No. Many of the popular app store apps are low quality games that exploit addiction with loot-box mechanics. But those scam apps make money for Apple so it's fine. Apple does not keep spam and other crap from the App store, but it does police high quality apps that offer their own subscription services. Because Apple feels entitled to their cut.
  - overstay8930 3y ago
    For every shitty spam app in the App Store there’s straight up malware on the play store
    - whatisthiseven 3y ago
      So after your basic premise was demonstrated false, you instead just deflect to a nothing statement that couldn't be more false? "Apple is good" "no, they aren't" "for every bad app Apple let's on the platform that makes them extremely rich that they will never ban, and all the spam apps they seem un able to ban, there are definitely way more malware on the play store because Google lets people do whatever" Which is just not true. It has permissions, app review, and the same broken financial incentives as Apple. I don't understand how anyone defends Apple's walled thornbush garden. Sure it's in neat rows with paths and it says it's a garden. But it's designed to maximize the amount it gets out of you for Apple's benefit just like Google, to make sure you can't leave, and to make you feel like the thornbush garden of Google is worse because they use gravel for their paths instead of paved stones.
      - overstay8930 3y ago
        The basic premise isn’t false, you just decided it was. Snapchat and Instagram did irreparable damage to Android’s reputation for an entire generation of people because of how relaxed Google’s restrictions were on lazy developers.
asah 3y ago
-1: all large companies throw their market power around. There's nothing special about Apple in this regard.

noirscape 3y ago

I wouldn't say they're children. Rather, Apple is ran by people who are used to the ~20 years of free corporate reign granted to them by the complete defanging of groups like the FTC in the US while Europe was still trying to fruitlessly coax them into being cooperative. It's not just Apple who is struggling to work in an environment where regulators have teeth; Amazon tried to treat the EU the same way and got banned from lobbying the EU parliament for not taking them seriously. Basically the only GAFAM company that took regulators seriously for a while was Microsoft (due to the IE lawsuits) but even they are starting to act out again as of late.

Sammi 3y ago
The meteoric rise of MS Azure in Europe is best explained by how they have already had their war with the EU and learned how to work with the EU instead of against it.

overstay8930 3y ago

Apple saw what happened when Google was nice to developers and got shitty camera views in apps and adobe flash. Apple has rightfully concluded that developers do not deserve to have any freedom on their platform because they immediately abuse it for their benefit and to the detriment of the user. Devs got so bad meta lost billions in value when Apple set up a privacy transparency feature in the App Store, say what you want about their repair practices but no other tech company takes this much care in managing their platform.

gizmo 3y ago
Any platform operator needs policies to protect users against spam and abuse. But does Apple do a good job at this? No. Many of the popular app store apps are low quality games that exploit addiction with loot-box mechanics. But those scam apps make money for Apple so it's fine. Apple does not keep spam and other crap from the App store, but it does police high quality apps that offer their own subscription services. Because Apple feels entitled to their cut.
- overstay8930 3y ago
  For every shitty spam app in the App Store there’s straight up malware on the play store
  - whatisthiseven 3y ago
    So after your basic premise was demonstrated false, you instead just deflect to a nothing statement that couldn't be more false? "Apple is good" "no, they aren't" "for every bad app Apple let's on the platform that makes them extremely rich that they will never ban, and all the spam apps they seem un able to ban, there are definitely way more malware on the play store because Google lets people do whatever" Which is just not true. It has permissions, app review, and the same broken financial incentives as Apple. I don't understand how anyone defends Apple's walled thornbush garden. Sure it's in neat rows with paths and it says it's a garden. But it's designed to maximize the amount it gets out of you for Apple's benefit just like Google, to make sure you can't leave, and to make you feel like the thornbush garden of Google is worse because they use gravel for their paths instead of paved stones.
    - overstay8930 3y ago
      The basic premise isn’t false, you just decided it was. Snapchat and Instagram did irreparable damage to Android’s reputation for an entire generation of people because of how relaxed Google’s restrictions were on lazy developers.

asah 3y ago

-1: all large companies throw their market power around. There's nothing special about Apple in this regard.