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Sergey Brin and others at Google are still ignoring that TEXT generation is equally messed up with Gemini. The problem is not image generation, is the entire t
by speeder 3y ago
Sergey Brin and others at Google are still ignoring that TEXT generation is equally messed up with Gemini.
The problem is not image generation, is the entire thing.
- mupuff1234 3y agoIsn't that ignoring the fact that all LLMs today suffers from multiple quality issues? This isn't really specific to Gemini.
- spacebanana7 3y agoGemini's aggression around health & safety, politics, malware etc seem to be much stronger than those of OpenAI/Meta/Mistral
- WalterSear 3y agoGoogle, in general, seems to have stepped up it's hostility to it's users of late.
- sva_ 3y agoI think they are referring to alleged political biases that are instilled in the model through RLHF.
- joemazerino 3y agoAlleged? Did you not see the pictures of black female founding fathers?
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- tehwebguy 3y agoLot of extremely normal people being radicalized by shitty software in here.
- liveoneggs 3y agoIn the linked article Sergey literally says > "it leans left in many cases"
- tehwebguy 3y agoIs this the actual smoking gun, “many”?
- pquki4 3y agoYes all LLMs have problems. But some are better than others, and there are benchmarks used for comparing the models. Also, in terms of PR, I don't remember OpenAI having messed up like this -- having one really bad incident is worse than not giving perfect answers.
- mfrc 3y agoOpenAI doesn't have image generation in the free version of its product.
- ionwake 3y agoI cancelled my sub to Gemini. It is aggressive against the user. The “insert an ethnic minority into every group photo” was the straw that broke the camels back as it was clearly biased.( for anyone who cares I am an ethnic minority). But I do remember, and I mean this, my first ever query asking it to draw a picture by a Japanese artist resulted in a “call this number for mental health problems” I was like wtf. The prompt was benign “water color sunbathing beach sunset” by some random normal Japanese artist. Sure potentially nsfw but the reply was completely hamfisted, insulting and really crazy. I probably wouldn’t have cared but it was literally my first prompt. Before anyone says “well it could have been degenerate” you have heard of the Michelangelo David right? The greatest ever sculpture? I haven’t tried but I’m pretty sure there isn’t a hope in hell the llm would reproduce anything like it. Really went off it since day one.
- WalterSear 3y agoI've found it impossible to tell if it has any quality issues, because it only gives me non-answers, wrapped in disclaimers.
- carlmr 3y agoEspecially true for Copilot. I almost never get anything useful out of it. It's too restrictive.
- leosanchez 3y agoGitHub copilot ?
- carlmr 3y agoBing copilot
- rm_-rf_slash 3y agoAll LLMs will always have multiple quality issues. A tool that complex can never be perfect. FWIW GPT-4 via API has treated me well, more consistently than ChatGPT. Would be nice if they solved the issues with Assistants but that’s another matter…
- ionwake 3y agoDoes the chatgpt give better results than the front end ?
- chaostheory 3y agoVanilla, non-binged ChatGPT is flawed, but not nearly as annoying as everything else like Claude, Pi, and Gemini
- bmitc 3y agoLike you say, I think what's being discovered is the lack of utility in these things. These techbro companies with Gemini, ChatGPT, etc. are just rediscovering that human to human communication is hard and cannot be automated and that human illustrators, artists, animators, writers, etc. have real, actualizable value. And it's rediscovering that we suck at prompting even humans, much less systems that have no idea what they're doing and just statistically stitch and glue data together. These LLMs are just exposing that humans are fairly bad at communication and they are encoding that into automated systems.
- liveoneggs 3y agoGemini is just following google images, I think - The classic (2015-ish discovery) - "american inventors" google image search still appears to silently replace "american" with "african american" The main serp page appears to have stopped doing it.
- christkv 3y agoThats disturbing even happens when searching from Europe so its a global manipulation of results. At this point I have started to tell everyone i know to avoid google products. The question is any of the other search engines any better ?
- rm_-rf_slash 3y agoI use DuckDuckGo primarily and hear good things about Kagi on HN, but haven’t used it much myself. DDG is fine I suppose, although my most frequent use case of looking up (nearly wrote “googling”) code solutions is mostly handled by ChatGPT these days.
- christkv 3y agoI've started just running models locally for the most part. If I want an apple cake recipe written in the speech style of Stalin who is OpenAI to deny me.
- afp14 3y agoI like presearch.com wholly because they are too young/small to apply these sorts of filters, the results feel "raw" in a good way. I have no affiliation with them and dislike their cryptocurrency based snake oil. But as far as a search engine that hasn't been tinkered with and is free, not bad, and I recommend them on that basis alone.
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- airstrike 3y agoSergey Brin and others at Google are still ignoring that GOOGLE is equally messed up as Gemini. The problem is not Gemini, it's Google.
- nunez 3y agoInterestingly, Kagi does the same thing. Though this raises a question for me. If searching "American inventors" threw down pages and pages of white people, would the Internet raise a stink about it? If it's anything like what happened to the female human computers that made the ENIAC and UNIVAC work, my bet is no. [0] [0]: https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-women-behind-eniac https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-women-behind-eniac? I only mentioned it because I read about it yesterday!