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The idea that roe v wade could've been under threat was considered laughably implausible until it wasn't. Securing these de facto rights and transforming them

The idea that roe v wade could've been under threat was considered laughably implausible until it wasn't. Securing these de facto rights and transforming them into de jure rights makes a lot of sense to me, in light of that.

yodsanklai 3y ago
France isn't the US. Abortion has always been a sensitive topic in the US, not at all in France.
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  france isn't us, but we've seen how dangerous it is, instead of hoping to not get in this situation ever, why not engrave this in constitution so that changing it again would be extremely hard?
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Some people don't like the French solution precisely because it is very hard to reverse it now. Downplaying the risk of a French, or European, version of throwing out Roe v. Wade is the easiest way to keep that particular door open. And pretending that not to be the case, well, I feel insulted by being played for an idiot.
- rayiner 3y ago
  Abortion was illegal in France until 1975. It was legalized by the legislature, and the challenge to the law went up to the Court of Cassation, which upheld the law ruling that the government can properly regulate abortion (which includes permitting it up to 12 weeks, as the 1975 law did). Two years earlier, the US Supreme Court had struck down any state regulation of abortion prior to viability (around 22-24) weeks. Effectively, it imposed an abortion regime far broader than France’s by judicial fiat.
- psini 3y ago
  To badly quote Simone de Beauvoir: "One political, religious or economic crisis will be enough to challenge women's rights, our rights. Throughout your life, you must remain vigilant". GP is right that things seem unthinkable do not stay unthinkable for eternity.
- cdavid 3y ago
  Abortion was sensitive in France when it was voted in the early 70ies. Few people in France oppose abortion laws as they are today, but the abortion restrictions are quite different compared to the US. E.g. abortion time limit in France are much shorter in "usual" cases, ~3.5 months. It was 3 month until quite recently, and that extension was controversial. [edit] controversial, but nowhere near as controversial as abortion is in the US. I wonder how controversial extension to 2nd or 3rd trimester would be in France. Those later-terms are legal only under exceptions in France (rape, danger to the mother, etc.).
- lm28469 3y ago
  France is more and more influenced by US politics and cultural struggles even if they rarely translate to the French situation
isolli 3y ago
It was already the law of the land (not hanging by a thread on a supreme court decision) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil_Act

yodsanklai 3y ago

France isn't the US. Abortion has always been a sensitive topic in the US, not at all in France.

Moldoteck 3y ago
france isn't us, but we've seen how dangerous it is, instead of hoping to not get in this situation ever, why not engrave this in constitution so that changing it again would be extremely hard?
- hef19898 3y ago
  Some people don't like the French solution precisely because it is very hard to reverse it now. Downplaying the risk of a French, or European, version of throwing out Roe v. Wade is the easiest way to keep that particular door open. And pretending that not to be the case, well, I feel insulted by being played for an idiot.
rayiner 3y ago
Abortion was illegal in France until 1975. It was legalized by the legislature, and the challenge to the law went up to the Court of Cassation, which upheld the law ruling that the government can properly regulate abortion (which includes permitting it up to 12 weeks, as the 1975 law did). Two years earlier, the US Supreme Court had struck down any state regulation of abortion prior to viability (around 22-24) weeks. Effectively, it imposed an abortion regime far broader than France’s by judicial fiat.
psini 3y ago
To badly quote Simone de Beauvoir: "One political, religious or economic crisis will be enough to challenge women's rights, our rights. Throughout your life, you must remain vigilant". GP is right that things seem unthinkable do not stay unthinkable for eternity.
cdavid 3y ago
Abortion was sensitive in France when it was voted in the early 70ies. Few people in France oppose abortion laws as they are today, but the abortion restrictions are quite different compared to the US. E.g. abortion time limit in France are much shorter in "usual" cases, ~3.5 months. It was 3 month until quite recently, and that extension was controversial. [edit] controversial, but nowhere near as controversial as abortion is in the US. I wonder how controversial extension to 2nd or 3rd trimester would be in France. Those later-terms are legal only under exceptions in France (rape, danger to the mother, etc.).
lm28469 3y ago
France is more and more influenced by US politics and cultural struggles even if they rarely translate to the French situation

isolli 3y ago

It was already the law of the land (not hanging by a thread on a supreme court decision) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil_Act