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There are so many possible perspectives for such story but in this day and age the focus is on how much this cost. So let's talk about cost: I don't know how o

• unglaublich 3y ago
  People overusing their subscriptions are compensated by people underusing them.
  • lupire 3y ago
    People who exercise are overusing their share of air. People with more children are overusing their share of sunlight.
    • broeng 3y ago
      According to you, when does a child earn their own share of sunlight, so their parents are not "overusing" their share? Is it at a certain age, or is that only for children born latest at $YOUR_BIRTHYEAR?
      • Brian_K_White 3y ago
        It's illogical to assume that was literal. They are pointing out that what the previous commenter said was ridiculous, by saying the same thing with merely other variables swapped in which more obviously illustrates how ridiculous the original statement was.
        • unglaublich 3y ago
          Yes, it's called a "false analogy", a typical informal fallacy. There is nothing ridiculous about the fact that people-that-use-more-than-average (over-users: p>.5) are compensated by people-that-use-less-than-average (under-users: p<.5) to establish an average... it's called spread.
        • broeng 3y ago
          Fair enough, I'll admit I missed that completely.
  • Brian_K_White 3y ago
    There is no such thing as overusing a thing that is sold as unlimited. It's true that the train company does some probability math and figures out some balance point for the proper price for the ticket based on some estimated bell curve of usage, just like a diner selling a "bottomless" cup of coffee for $1. But that doesn't make the right half of the curve "overusing" any more than it makes the left half of the curve "underusing". They are all merely using the thing that the supplier sold in accordance with the terms set by the supplier.
• BSDobelix 3y ago
  >seats he didn't pay for and setting the stage for future That`s why he's under the seats, but let's talk about AirBNB-Ghosttown's ;) And i think it's a absolute nice adventure for a 17 y/o. Talk with lot's of different peoples, see lot's of places....genius i love it!
• ithkuil 3y ago
  > he didn't pay for hey, he paid for it! They gave him an unlimited ticket in exchange for euros. You're free to say that the train company shouldn't have created an unlimited ticket but it's unfair to paint a person who uses what he legally bought as a thief.
  • MagnumOpus 3y ago
    Read the comment again - he pays for one seat, he sleeps across 3 or 4.
    • lillecarl 3y ago
      If you're on a flight and there's a free space next to you, would you say you're wrong if you occupy it by stretching your legs?
      • red-iron-pine 3y ago
        sure. once you take off, you're not getting more people on until you land. by that logic, you have until the next stop, and then any claim you have to a seat is forfeit.
    • ithkuil 3y ago
      ah that's what you meant well I'm pretty sure if those seats were taken he'd sleep in its own seat. Perhaps his equation would change if had to sleep upright every night, but still, there is nothing illegal
    • _visgean 3y ago
      if they are empty what is the deal? If somebody books the ticket he will be asked to move to his seat.
    • landgenoot 3y ago
      You are not paying for the seat, but for the journey. Go ahead and try to get a refund when you don't have a seat on a crowded train.
• gnfargbl 3y ago
  Some of the older posts (https://leben-im-zug.de/howto-nachtreise-im-ice/ https://leben-im-zug.de/howto-nachtreise-im-ice/) explain that when he was travelling second class, he was able to sleep on a luggage rack most of the time. That practice actually appears to consume a negative number of seats! This is clearly also something you can only do when you're seventeen. I think if I tried to sleep on a luggage rack then (a) I would wake up in a claustrophobic panic attack, and (b) the rack would break.
  • garciasn 3y ago
    Only because, according to him, the attendants don't seem to mind the homeless teenager (and others) doing this, not because it's ok.
    • immibis 3y ago
      If nobody minds, then in what sense is it not okay? If the space is needed for luggage, I'm sure he will be asked to move.
      • vkou 3y ago
        > If nobody minds, then in what sense is it not okay? Nobody might mind a one-off antisocial behaviour, but if it becomes a pattern, or if everyone starts doing it, everyone might start minding it.
        • Brian_K_White 3y ago
          then it would not be ok. then is an imaginary some-time/some-condition.
        • immibis 3y ago
          So hypothetically, if things were different, it might not be okay... so it's okay now.
• stubish 3y ago
  > no one is discussing the externalized cost of taking up (arguably empty) seats he didn't pay for and setting the stage for future "nomads" to do the same and turning first class night trains into a substandard hostel It is not an externalized cost. DB would even make more money if more people did it, up until the point it started costing them more profitable sales (at which point they will change the rules). It is like any mass transport, where it is better to carry a passenger at zero or even negative profit than it is to have a half empty bus/plane/train. A full plane, even if half are traveling at cost, is more profitable than a half full plane, because the fixed costs of the journey is amortized over more passengers. Rather than 50% of the full fare being lost to the fixed journey costs, only 25% of the full fare gets lost. This is how economy class works, where little profit is made, but covers the fixed cost of a flight allowing more profit to be extracted from business, first and extras.