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> €10k/y you can afford a house+food+bills in most of Europe I don’t see how that can be true if you want to live alone. Maybe in some of the poorer countries

> €10k/y you can afford a house+food+bills in most of Europe I don’t see how that can be true if you want to live alone. Maybe in some of the poorer countries outside the EU.

01acheru 3y ago
I'm from Italy and lived alone in Greece, Spain and Portugal so I know it is surely possible. And lived in cities not in the middle of nowhere.
jahnu 3y ago
You could do it here in Vienna. Would be basic but not terrible at all.
ben_w 3y ago
Bulgaria's GDP per capita is €13,305/year (€1108.75/month), and the average net salary is €10,440/year (€870/month), so it's definitely possible if you're the kind of person who is willing to be arbitrarily ridiculous[0] with this kind of thing. [0] For one thing, сигурно ще трябва да научиш български, which doesn't sound like a great use of time.
- coolThingsFirst 3y ago
  Even in Bulgaria 10K euros per year isn't going to get one a whole house + utilities + living expenses(food etc).
  - ben_w 3y ago
    You're saying nearly half the workforce of Bulgaria doesn't have those things?
    - coolThingsFirst 3y ago
      Entire house to themselves which they rent? They don’t.
      - ben_w 3y ago
        Monthly rent €200: https://www.alo.bg/9325840 https://www.alo.bg/9325840 Monthly rent €450: https://www.property.bg/property-67234-fully-furnished-house-for-rent-in-the-heart-of-the-balkans/ https://www.property.bg/property-67234-fully-furnished-house... Both are enough for bills and food, or at least seem to be (I don't know how property taxes work in Bulgaria). And given that figure I gave you was average salary and thus won't cover kids or pensioners, mostly of the people at or below that threshold will be supporting a family with that money, not just themselves, and that's the main reason they won't be living alone. FWIW, I could manage on €10k/year even though I live in Berlin, but I'm (a) weird and (b) also living with someone in an apartment. Still more space each than if we were trying to live on a train, though. Back in the UK, you can also find cheap actually-a-house houses despite the nonsense that is UK housing: https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/144969266#/?channel=RES_LET https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/144969266#/?channel=R... (£380 ~= €444 / month) — I think £332/month should just about cover one person's food and bills, including council tax, in the UK, so I'd be surprised if one couldn't do at least that well in Bulgaria, where 5% of the population have an income of €208/month or less.
redeeman 3y ago
could be done in denmark

> €10k/y you can afford a house+food+bills in most of Europe I don’t see how that can be true if you want to live alone. Maybe in some of the poorer countries outside the EU.

01acheru 3y ago

I'm from Italy and lived alone in Greece, Spain and Portugal so I know it is surely possible. And lived in cities not in the middle of nowhere.

jahnu 3y ago

You could do it here in Vienna. Would be basic but not terrible at all.

ben_w 3y ago

Bulgaria's GDP per capita is €13,305/year (€1108.75/month), and the average net salary is €10,440/year (€870/month), so it's definitely possible if you're the kind of person who is willing to be arbitrarily ridiculous[0] with this kind of thing. [0] For one thing, сигурно ще трябва да научиш български, which doesn't sound like a great use of time.

coolThingsFirst 3y ago
Even in Bulgaria 10K euros per year isn't going to get one a whole house + utilities + living expenses(food etc).
- ben_w 3y ago
  You're saying nearly half the workforce of Bulgaria doesn't have those things?
  - coolThingsFirst 3y ago
    Entire house to themselves which they rent? They don’t.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      Monthly rent €200: https://www.alo.bg/9325840 https://www.alo.bg/9325840 Monthly rent €450: https://www.property.bg/property-67234-fully-furnished-house-for-rent-in-the-heart-of-the-balkans/ https://www.property.bg/property-67234-fully-furnished-house... Both are enough for bills and food, or at least seem to be (I don't know how property taxes work in Bulgaria). And given that figure I gave you was average salary and thus won't cover kids or pensioners, mostly of the people at or below that threshold will be supporting a family with that money, not just themselves, and that's the main reason they won't be living alone. FWIW, I could manage on €10k/year even though I live in Berlin, but I'm (a) weird and (b) also living with someone in an apartment. Still more space each than if we were trying to live on a train, though. Back in the UK, you can also find cheap actually-a-house houses despite the nonsense that is UK housing: https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/144969266#/?channel=RES_LET https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/144969266#/?channel=R... (£380 ~= €444 / month) — I think £332/month should just about cover one person's food and bills, including council tax, in the UK, so I'd be surprised if one couldn't do at least that well in Bulgaria, where 5% of the population have an income of €208/month or less.

redeeman 3y ago

could be done in denmark