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Interesting that they are counting chrome os separately since it is Linux based. That's another 2%. So 6% of the desktop market is running some form of Linux. T

Interesting that they are counting chrome os separately since it is Linux based. That's another 2%. So 6% of the desktop market is running some form of Linux. There's another 6% unknown, which I bet might include some Linux users that are a bit savvy about configuring their browsers to not leak information. The Unkown line seems to climb faster than the linux line in the graph; which is interesting as well.

SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
Unknowns are BSDs.
- resolutebat 3y ago
  For desktop?
  - BSDobelix 3y ago
    Yes, why? Nearly all my Desktops and Laptops have exclusively FreeBSD on it.
  - SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
    In fact I would argue that FreeBSD is better as a desktop than server (where you may want package stability). FreeBSD update policies such as choice between quarterly (much like Ubuntu, but twice as often) and rolling puts its into nice balanced spot between Arch-like and Ubuntu-like system. The problem is however poor hardware support. They still do not support Alder Lake iGPU, you'll need to hack the kernel source to make it working. But once up and running it gives you nicer experience than many distros. Fells like a more stable sid.
    - BSDobelix 3y ago
      >where you may want package stability Oh not you again, i already explained to you that FreeBSD supports old versions ~5 year's of important software like postgresql/php etc. for example postgres 12-16, redis 6.2-7, python 2.7/3-3.9, openjdk 8-22. BTW many rolling and stop-rolling Linux distros do the same. I don't understand why you try to bullshit others.
      - SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
        I think with your fanboi attitude you should not participate in public conversations. Your style of communication is immature and does not belong to places like HN. Now having said that, for someone like you, who is unable to understand the reason for LTS distros, like Debian and Redhat derivatives, I am explaining again: if were actually running FreeBSD machines (like I do on some desktops), you would notice it constantly receives small updates, like (random examnple) dav1d codec got updated recently, although I do not really need such an update much, which is absolutely unacceptable in many server usage scenarios: you want to have stable, stale software with known bugs, you know very well and learned to love; the only thing you want is security updates. Many, many people in FreeBSD community seem to fail to understand that~5 years of support of "old" postgres is not the same as what is done in say debian; you do not want even minor of minorest changes of the version of the package, not even bugfix unless it is a critical or security bugfix. It is how it is in most server scenarios, deal with it.
        BSDobelix 3y ago
        >It is how it is in most server scenarios, deal with it. In your bubble. >many people in FreeBSD community seem to fail to understand that~5 years of support of "old" postgres is not the same as what is done in say debian; Ah yeah the debian-magic of patching, please can you tell me the difference? ...actually no, please don't. >Your style of communication is immature and does not belong to places like HN. Repeating lies do not belong to places like HN i would say. >I think with your fanboi attitude you should not participate in public conversations. I love when you contradict yourself -> Your style of communication is immature
        SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
        What kind of "bubble" are you talking about? Vast majority of servers run either Redhat derivative or Debian derivative and both boast long term support for even old systems. Ubuntu 18 afaik still receive security updates, so does Debian 10. So there is an apparent and understandable need for LTS distros. This is how it is today. As I said, deal with it. Debian has package freeze half a year before cutting a new stable release. A stable release is thoroughly tested and guaranteed to have no breaking issues. "The magic of patching" is there to keep this guarantee for 2 years. Often new packages can have disastrous bugs (such a recent bug in inkscape) and you do not want that on your daily driver and willing to sacrifice freshness for stability and lack of surprises, both good or bad. If you really need fresh one or two packages you can either compile it yourself, install from backports or install a flatpack. My free course into LTS systems is complete. There will be no further replies in this thread.
- jillesvangurp 3y ago
  BSD is counted separately at a minuscule 0.1%. I imagine the proportion of that 6% unknown might be similar.
boneitis 3y ago
I'd imagine it's only as much Linux as Android and FireOS are, which might be argued aren't desktop OSes. But for that matter, ChromeOS might in turn be arguably closer to Android than what would be considered desktop Linux.. (disc: have not used ChromeOS)
- davidgerard 3y ago
  ChromeOS started as a very weird thing, but increasingly they're moving toward being a reasonably normal GNU/Linux as we know it, with Wayland. And of course a good Android environment.
- jillesvangurp 3y ago
  It runs a linux kernel, which makes it a Linux based OS. It probably integrates a lot of linux stuff too, and it of course comes with virtualization support (leveraging the support for this in linux) to run proper linux applications and development tools, etc. It's big enough to be worth counting separately though. Interesting that regular linux now has twice the market share of Chrome OS.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    It still isn't GNU/Linux, and if ChromeOS virtualization counts as Linux, so does WSL, as the technical approach to run GNU/Linux inside its own VM is quite similar in both OSes. Normal ChromeOS users only have a browser based userspace.
    - jillesvangurp 3y ago
      Semantics. GNU/Linux is a subset of linuxes. Chrome OS runs a linux kernel, includes lots of libraries and other things from linux, which, like it or not, makes it another (and pretty significant) subset of linux. Which is why it is counted separately.
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        Semantics that matter, unless we are counting uses of Linux kernel. Like it or not, there is nothing from GNU/Linux that normies get exposure to when using their beloved Web Apps on ChromeOS. Maybe we should include JSLinux into that, to bump numbers up.

SomeoneFromCA 3y ago

Unknowns are BSDs.

resolutebat 3y ago
For desktop?
- BSDobelix 3y ago
  Yes, why? Nearly all my Desktops and Laptops have exclusively FreeBSD on it.
- SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
  In fact I would argue that FreeBSD is better as a desktop than server (where you may want package stability). FreeBSD update policies such as choice between quarterly (much like Ubuntu, but twice as often) and rolling puts its into nice balanced spot between Arch-like and Ubuntu-like system. The problem is however poor hardware support. They still do not support Alder Lake iGPU, you'll need to hack the kernel source to make it working. But once up and running it gives you nicer experience than many distros. Fells like a more stable sid.
  - BSDobelix 3y ago
    >where you may want package stability Oh not you again, i already explained to you that FreeBSD supports old versions ~5 year's of important software like postgresql/php etc. for example postgres 12-16, redis 6.2-7, python 2.7/3-3.9, openjdk 8-22. BTW many rolling and stop-rolling Linux distros do the same. I don't understand why you try to bullshit others.
    - SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
      I think with your fanboi attitude you should not participate in public conversations. Your style of communication is immature and does not belong to places like HN. Now having said that, for someone like you, who is unable to understand the reason for LTS distros, like Debian and Redhat derivatives, I am explaining again: if were actually running FreeBSD machines (like I do on some desktops), you would notice it constantly receives small updates, like (random examnple) dav1d codec got updated recently, although I do not really need such an update much, which is absolutely unacceptable in many server usage scenarios: you want to have stable, stale software with known bugs, you know very well and learned to love; the only thing you want is security updates. Many, many people in FreeBSD community seem to fail to understand that~5 years of support of "old" postgres is not the same as what is done in say debian; you do not want even minor of minorest changes of the version of the package, not even bugfix unless it is a critical or security bugfix. It is how it is in most server scenarios, deal with it.
      - BSDobelix 3y ago
        >It is how it is in most server scenarios, deal with it. In your bubble. >many people in FreeBSD community seem to fail to understand that~5 years of support of "old" postgres is not the same as what is done in say debian; Ah yeah the debian-magic of patching, please can you tell me the difference? ...actually no, please don't. >Your style of communication is immature and does not belong to places like HN. Repeating lies do not belong to places like HN i would say. >I think with your fanboi attitude you should not participate in public conversations. I love when you contradict yourself -> Your style of communication is immature
        SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
        What kind of "bubble" are you talking about? Vast majority of servers run either Redhat derivative or Debian derivative and both boast long term support for even old systems. Ubuntu 18 afaik still receive security updates, so does Debian 10. So there is an apparent and understandable need for LTS distros. This is how it is today. As I said, deal with it. Debian has package freeze half a year before cutting a new stable release. A stable release is thoroughly tested and guaranteed to have no breaking issues. "The magic of patching" is there to keep this guarantee for 2 years. Often new packages can have disastrous bugs (such a recent bug in inkscape) and you do not want that on your daily driver and willing to sacrifice freshness for stability and lack of surprises, both good or bad. If you really need fresh one or two packages you can either compile it yourself, install from backports or install a flatpack. My free course into LTS systems is complete. There will be no further replies in this thread.
jillesvangurp 3y ago
BSD is counted separately at a minuscule 0.1%. I imagine the proportion of that 6% unknown might be similar.

boneitis 3y ago

I'd imagine it's only as much Linux as Android and FireOS are, which might be argued aren't desktop OSes. But for that matter, ChromeOS might in turn be arguably closer to Android than what would be considered desktop Linux.. (disc: have not used ChromeOS)

davidgerard 3y ago
ChromeOS started as a very weird thing, but increasingly they're moving toward being a reasonably normal GNU/Linux as we know it, with Wayland. And of course a good Android environment.
jillesvangurp 3y ago
It runs a linux kernel, which makes it a Linux based OS. It probably integrates a lot of linux stuff too, and it of course comes with virtualization support (leveraging the support for this in linux) to run proper linux applications and development tools, etc. It's big enough to be worth counting separately though. Interesting that regular linux now has twice the market share of Chrome OS.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  It still isn't GNU/Linux, and if ChromeOS virtualization counts as Linux, so does WSL, as the technical approach to run GNU/Linux inside its own VM is quite similar in both OSes. Normal ChromeOS users only have a browser based userspace.
  - jillesvangurp 3y ago
    Semantics. GNU/Linux is a subset of linuxes. Chrome OS runs a linux kernel, includes lots of libraries and other things from linux, which, like it or not, makes it another (and pretty significant) subset of linux. Which is why it is counted separately.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      Semantics that matter, unless we are counting uses of Linux kernel. Like it or not, there is nothing from GNU/Linux that normies get exposure to when using their beloved Web Apps on ChromeOS. Maybe we should include JSLinux into that, to bump numbers up.