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I'm confused now. I haven't been in a current Tesla, but what do we refer to when we say haptic button nowadays? To me that's synonymous to tactile button = phy

I'm confused now. I haven't been in a current Tesla, but what do we refer to when we say haptic button nowadays? To me that's synonymous to tactile button = physical button, but you talk about capacitive buttons. Did Apple's introduction of haptic feedback for touch somehow shift the meaning?

izacus 3y ago
As far as I know the latest refresh of 3 brought back physical buttons. Did you test that one? Capacitive buttons are the ones that don't physically move and give no feedback.
masklinn 3y ago
> To me that's synonymous to tactile button = physical button Why would we need a synonym for a perfectly working word? A physical button is a physical button, to me a haptic button necessarily means some sort of virtual button as otherwise the haptic properties don’t have to be specified.
- iforgotpassword 3y ago
  > Why would we need a synonym for a perfectly working word? Because that's just how language works, I can think of a dozen perfectly working words that have synonyms. The word haptic existed long before touch screens and capacitive buttons. What else could it have been used for then? > as otherwise the haptic properties don’t have to be specified They need to be specified precisely because today buttons that don't have any haptic feedback exists.
  - masklinn 3y ago
    > The word haptic existed long before touch screens and capacitive buttons. What else could it have been used for then? Haptic is anything having to do with touch, it's not specifically feedback (although you can tune the haptic feedback of physical devices as well). A handshake is haptic communication for instance. > They need to be specified precisely because today buttons that don't have any haptic feedback exists. Again, that's not the case of physical buttons. So you have three categories of buttons: - physical - virtual (non-haptic) - virtual (haptic) You don't need to specify that a physical button is haptic, it is that by definition. You can discuss the haptic properties (UX) of different kinds of buttons or physical controls, but that's not the subject here.
    - iforgotpassword 3y ago
      Well then maybe we should avoid the term haptic button. I've definitely seen it refer to physical buttons. It wouldn't be wrong to use the term to refer to either, even if it's technically pointless for physical buttons, and I guess that's why people do it when it comes to the physical vs touch debate, to emphasize that specific property of a physical button.
Kwpolska 3y ago
Capacitive buttons, i.e. an absolute trainwreck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6e_gNdxs_s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6e_gNdxs_s

izacus 3y ago

As far as I know the latest refresh of 3 brought back physical buttons. Did you test that one? Capacitive buttons are the ones that don't physically move and give no feedback.

masklinn 3y ago

> To me that's synonymous to tactile button = physical button Why would we need a synonym for a perfectly working word? A physical button is a physical button, to me a haptic button necessarily means some sort of virtual button as otherwise the haptic properties don’t have to be specified.

iforgotpassword 3y ago
> Why would we need a synonym for a perfectly working word? Because that's just how language works, I can think of a dozen perfectly working words that have synonyms. The word haptic existed long before touch screens and capacitive buttons. What else could it have been used for then? > as otherwise the haptic properties don’t have to be specified They need to be specified precisely because today buttons that don't have any haptic feedback exists.
- masklinn 3y ago
  > The word haptic existed long before touch screens and capacitive buttons. What else could it have been used for then? Haptic is anything having to do with touch, it's not specifically feedback (although you can tune the haptic feedback of physical devices as well). A handshake is haptic communication for instance. > They need to be specified precisely because today buttons that don't have any haptic feedback exists. Again, that's not the case of physical buttons. So you have three categories of buttons: - physical - virtual (non-haptic) - virtual (haptic) You don't need to specify that a physical button is haptic, it is that by definition. You can discuss the haptic properties (UX) of different kinds of buttons or physical controls, but that's not the subject here.
  - iforgotpassword 3y ago
    Well then maybe we should avoid the term haptic button. I've definitely seen it refer to physical buttons. It wouldn't be wrong to use the term to refer to either, even if it's technically pointless for physical buttons, and I guess that's why people do it when it comes to the physical vs touch debate, to emphasize that specific property of a physical button.

Kwpolska 3y ago

Capacitive buttons, i.e. an absolute trainwreck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6e_gNdxs_s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6e_gNdxs_s