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The Lancet link has slightly more detail - sounds like he's a bit crazy and they were investigating him because they thought there was fraud happening but then

The Lancet link has slightly more detail - sounds like he's a bit crazy and they were investigating him because they thought there was fraud happening but then they realized he was just 'hypervaccinated' and so they didn't file charges and enrolled him in this study; > Here, we report on a 62-year-old male hypervaccinated individual from Magdeburg, Germany (HIM), who deliberately and for private reasons received 217 vaccinations against SARS-CoV-2 within a period of 29 months (figure A; appendix 1 tab 1). HIM's hypervaccination occurred outside of a clinical study context and against national vaccination recommendations. Evidence for 130 vaccinations in a 9 month period was collected by the public prosecutor of Magdeburg, Germany, who opened an investigation of this case with the allegation of fraud, but criminal charges were not filed. 108 vaccinations are individually recorded and partly overlap with the total of 130 prosecutor-confirmed vaccinations (appendix 2 p 12). To investigate the immunological consequences of hypervaccination in this unique situation, we submitted an analysis proposal to HIM via the public prosecutor. HIM then actively and voluntarily consented to provide medical information and donate blood and saliva. This procedure was approved by the local Ethics Committee of the University Hospital of Erlangen, Germany. Throughout the entire hypervaccination schedule HIM did not report any vaccination-related side effects. From November 2019, to October 2023, 62 routine clinical chemistry parameters showed no abnormalities attributable to hypervaccination (appendix 1 tab 2). Furthermore, HIM had no signs of a past SARS-CoV-2 infection, as indicated by repeatedly negative SARS-CoV-2 antigen tests, PCRs and nucleocapsid serology (figure A; appendix 1 tab 1). https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(24)00134-8/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...

andrewflnr 3y ago
I don't know, maybe they just gave him a break on the charges in exchange for cooperating with the study. You know the scientists would try to pull something like that to study a unique case if at all possible, and I know I would "actively and voluntarily consent" to that if my alternative was jail.
- mikeyouse 3y ago
  That'd be super unethical and they point out it passed their IRB so that's unlikely to have been the case. I believe their system is like the US where the docs/pharmacies are reimbursed for each dose given so the prosecutors likely were doing basic fraud detection and saw that 100+ doses were associated with the same person which lead them to investigate -- it's probably not illegal to get hundreds of vaccinations hence the lack of charges and it just so happened to have provided an interesting data point for researchers.
  - andrewflnr 3y ago
    Fair point about the ethics angle. I guess. Personally I think it's morally fine (clearly a win-win for him and society) but it does look like coercion and there's a case for avoiding "even the appearance of evil"...
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petesergeant 3y ago
> 62-year-male … for private reasons Without being crass, I can definitely see a world in which someone showing up to do something they know they’re not meant to do, interacting with a nurse (likely female, likely in a uniform), and getting a small but manageable amount of pain being a fetish thing.
- NoGravitas 3y ago
  You're getting downvoted for this, but there were people who actually developed a fetish for intranasal stimulation back when covid testing was still common (and presumably many more who joked about it - see "nussy").

andrewflnr 3y ago

I don't know, maybe they just gave him a break on the charges in exchange for cooperating with the study. You know the scientists would try to pull something like that to study a unique case if at all possible, and I know I would "actively and voluntarily consent" to that if my alternative was jail.

mikeyouse 3y ago
That'd be super unethical and they point out it passed their IRB so that's unlikely to have been the case. I believe their system is like the US where the docs/pharmacies are reimbursed for each dose given so the prosecutors likely were doing basic fraud detection and saw that 100+ doses were associated with the same person which lead them to investigate -- it's probably not illegal to get hundreds of vaccinations hence the lack of charges and it just so happened to have provided an interesting data point for researchers.
- andrewflnr 3y ago
  Fair point about the ethics angle. I guess. Personally I think it's morally fine (clearly a win-win for him and society) but it does look like coercion and there's a case for avoiding "even the appearance of evil"...
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petesergeant 3y ago

> 62-year-male … for private reasons Without being crass, I can definitely see a world in which someone showing up to do something they know they’re not meant to do, interacting with a nurse (likely female, likely in a uniform), and getting a small but manageable amount of pain being a fetish thing.

NoGravitas 3y ago
You're getting downvoted for this, but there were people who actually developed a fetish for intranasal stimulation back when covid testing was still common (and presumably many more who joked about it - see "nussy").