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This just tells me they don't understand why any of those things were created and how to actually use them. It won't get traction and it'll wallow and get stale

This just tells me they don't understand why any of those things were created and how to actually use them. It won't get traction and it'll wallow and get stale since it'll be an unmaintainable project. Also, VSCode is built on Electron while Photopea and OnlyOffice are straight up painful to use.

simondotau 3y ago
That’s a lot of smack talk for someone who didn’t provide a link to their own, even more impressive project. This kind of reaction reminds me of people who can’t fathom why anyone would use a database without an ORM. (And meanwhile I’m confused because nearly everything I do with a database would be twice as difficult and ten times slower with an ORM in the way.)
- enriquec 3y ago
  Must not be doing anything very complicated. Wheres your impressive link if thats a prerequisite for discussion? Some ORMs suck, I’ll give you that.
  - simondotau 3y ago
    It’s only a prerequisite if you want to belittle people and accuse them of making ignorant technology choices. (If the discussion was ORMs, I’d be delighted to have an excuse to share and promote my public projects. But my earlier aside doesn’t constitute a change of topic for this thread.)
    - enriquec 3y ago
      Wrong, its not a prerequisite in any case.
      - simondotau 3y ago
        Wrong. It’s the rule, and has been thus for at least 270 years. Breaking it attracts a $500 fine and a gentle slap in the face with a pair of leather driving gloves.
- aurareturn 3y ago
  I use Prisma and the TS typings in generates automatically have saved me countless times. I used to hate ORMs like you. But auto generated types were the killer feature.
smarkov 3y ago
> Also, VSCode is built on Electron That's not the point. The point is that it doesn't use a framework like React, Vue, etc., it instead directly creates and manipulates DOM elements, somewhat like Puter.
gertop 3y ago
I don't know what's your benchmark to say those things? OnlyOffice works better than LibreOffice, which is a native app. Photopea works better than GIMP, which is a native app. These devs clearly know what they're doing. React and all the packages you champion were created to foster job security by introducing needless complexity and performance issues. It would be a better world if we had more Photopeas and less Enriques
- tambourine_man 3y ago
  I agree with you, but there’s no need for ad hominem
sgbeal 3y ago
> This just tells me they don't understand why any of those things were created... Like very nearly all FOSS, they were created to scratch their own developers' personal itches. > ... and how to actually use them. Their itches are not the same as everyone else's itches.

simondotau 3y ago

That’s a lot of smack talk for someone who didn’t provide a link to their own, even more impressive project. This kind of reaction reminds me of people who can’t fathom why anyone would use a database without an ORM. (And meanwhile I’m confused because nearly everything I do with a database would be twice as difficult and ten times slower with an ORM in the way.)

enriquec 3y ago
Must not be doing anything very complicated. Wheres your impressive link if thats a prerequisite for discussion? Some ORMs suck, I’ll give you that.
- simondotau 3y ago
  It’s only a prerequisite if you want to belittle people and accuse them of making ignorant technology choices. (If the discussion was ORMs, I’d be delighted to have an excuse to share and promote my public projects. But my earlier aside doesn’t constitute a change of topic for this thread.)
  - enriquec 3y ago
    Wrong, its not a prerequisite in any case.
    - simondotau 3y ago
      Wrong. It’s the rule, and has been thus for at least 270 years. Breaking it attracts a $500 fine and a gentle slap in the face with a pair of leather driving gloves.
aurareturn 3y ago
I use Prisma and the TS typings in generates automatically have saved me countless times. I used to hate ORMs like you. But auto generated types were the killer feature.

smarkov 3y ago

> Also, VSCode is built on Electron That's not the point. The point is that it doesn't use a framework like React, Vue, etc., it instead directly creates and manipulates DOM elements, somewhat like Puter.

gertop 3y ago

I don't know what's your benchmark to say those things? OnlyOffice works better than LibreOffice, which is a native app. Photopea works better than GIMP, which is a native app. These devs clearly know what they're doing. React and all the packages you champion were created to foster job security by introducing needless complexity and performance issues. It would be a better world if we had more Photopeas and less Enriques

tambourine_man 3y ago
I agree with you, but there’s no need for ad hominem

sgbeal 3y ago

> This just tells me they don't understand why any of those things were created... Like very nearly all FOSS, they were created to scratch their own developers' personal itches. > ... and how to actually use them. Their itches are not the same as everyone else's itches.