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Oh come on, you're overexaggerating a bit. If you follow your pattern with Apple, you'll end up with a measly 8GB/256GB model which will only be useful for basi

by izacus 3y ago

Oh come on, you're overexaggerating a bit. If you follow your pattern with Apple, you'll end up with a measly 8GB/256GB model which will only be useful for basic browsing. (And with more and more Electron apps, might struggle even with that once you hop onto a video call.)

Seanambers 3y ago
"will only be useful for basic browsing" nah.
technothrasher 3y ago
> you'll end up with a measly 8GB/256GB model which will only be useful for basic browsing. I must be doing something wrong then. I've got one of those measly models and I do quite a bit more than just basic browsing without any problem. Video calls are the least of that, and they work fine.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  Video calls require trivial amounts of memory and no real storage at all. Video editing, on the other hand, would pretty quickly fill up a 256GB drive. If you want to play with the fun new AI stuff, 8GB of RAM isn't enough. Modern machines also have a nefarious failure mode. It used to be that you needed more memory to cache the hard drive, but SSDs are pretty fast and that doesn't matter as much anymore. So now you have the opposite problem -- if you're out of memory and start swapping you don't notice as much, because SSDs are pretty fast. Except that now you're silently wearing out your SSD. Which in the Macs, is soldered.
- sva_ 3y ago
  > I'll have you know, my 2023 $1300 laptop is capable of doing video calls Weird flex
lcmatt 3y ago
I have the base level M2 Air and it’s anything but a basic browsing machine. Runs everything I throw at it development wise, while a good few other things are open and it has never felt slow. Compare that to any Windows laptops with the same spec and it would be chugging along with just Chrome open.
- Dah00n 3y ago
  >chugging along with just Chrome open This is just FUD. Even my kids 2017 laptop doesn't "chug along with just Chrome open". It can run chrome and a game too just fine.
superb_dev 3y ago
I do all of my development on a measly 8GB/500GB model. The only application that has performance problems for me VCVRack, and that’s only after I surpassed 900 modules
- musicale 3y ago
  I bet it struggles if you open 800 browser tabs and 900 VCV rack modules.
threeseed 3y ago
Video transcoding is done on the GPU and has nothing to do with memory/storage. And there isn't a trend towards more Electron apps. Increasingly developers are using Tauri which is Rust based and extremely lightweight.
- jshier 3y ago
  Is there a single popular Tauri app? What are the most popular?
  - threeseed 3y ago
    The point is that it's growing: https://github.com/tauri-apps/awesome-tauri https://github.com/tauri-apps/awesome-tauri
- vilunov 3y ago
  Tauri is not that much different from Electron honestly.
  - threeseed 3y ago
    That is simply not true. My Tauri app is 38MB: https://github.com/harana/search/releases https://github.com/harana/search/releases Electron Framework alone on macOS is 356MB. And this is reflected in memory usage as well.
    - rockdoe 3y ago
      The Tauri app just uses the system WKWebView. Memory usage can be misleading due to reporting, see e.g. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/5889 https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/5889
    - ciupicri 3y ago
      > There aren’t any releases here
  - rockdoe 3y ago
015a 3y ago
Anyone who says the 8/256 Airs are throwaway machines has literally never used one. Full stop. You have an opinion about what 8gb of memory is capable of, which is influenced entirely by Intel CPUs and Windows. It hits different on the M1 platform and MacOS.
sgarland 3y ago
While they do swap more often than one with more RAM (obviously), at least with the M1s, the SSDs are stupidly fast, to the point that you barely notice it for day-to-day work. They nerfed the SSD on M2 base models; not sure about M3. For the record, on my base M1 Air, I generally have Safari, Spotify, and Alacritty open at any given time. I can also run Docker Desktop if necessary, although I prefer colima since I don’t need any of the bloat.

by izacus 3y ago

Seanambers 3y ago

"will only be useful for basic browsing" nah.

technothrasher 3y ago

> you'll end up with a measly 8GB/256GB model which will only be useful for basic browsing. I must be doing something wrong then. I've got one of those measly models and I do quite a bit more than just basic browsing without any problem. Video calls are the least of that, and they work fine.

AnthonyMouse 3y ago
Video calls require trivial amounts of memory and no real storage at all. Video editing, on the other hand, would pretty quickly fill up a 256GB drive. If you want to play with the fun new AI stuff, 8GB of RAM isn't enough. Modern machines also have a nefarious failure mode. It used to be that you needed more memory to cache the hard drive, but SSDs are pretty fast and that doesn't matter as much anymore. So now you have the opposite problem -- if you're out of memory and start swapping you don't notice as much, because SSDs are pretty fast. Except that now you're silently wearing out your SSD. Which in the Macs, is soldered.
sva_ 3y ago
> I'll have you know, my 2023 $1300 laptop is capable of doing video calls Weird flex

lcmatt 3y ago

I have the base level M2 Air and it’s anything but a basic browsing machine. Runs everything I throw at it development wise, while a good few other things are open and it has never felt slow. Compare that to any Windows laptops with the same spec and it would be chugging along with just Chrome open.

Dah00n 3y ago
>chugging along with just Chrome open This is just FUD. Even my kids 2017 laptop doesn't "chug along with just Chrome open". It can run chrome and a game too just fine.

superb_dev 3y ago

I do all of my development on a measly 8GB/500GB model. The only application that has performance problems for me VCVRack, and that’s only after I surpassed 900 modules

musicale 3y ago
I bet it struggles if you open 800 browser tabs and 900 VCV rack modules.

threeseed 3y ago

Video transcoding is done on the GPU and has nothing to do with memory/storage. And there isn't a trend towards more Electron apps. Increasingly developers are using Tauri which is Rust based and extremely lightweight.

jshier 3y ago
Is there a single popular Tauri app? What are the most popular?
- threeseed 3y ago
  The point is that it's growing: https://github.com/tauri-apps/awesome-tauri https://github.com/tauri-apps/awesome-tauri
vilunov 3y ago
Tauri is not that much different from Electron honestly.
- threeseed 3y ago
  That is simply not true. My Tauri app is 38MB: https://github.com/harana/search/releases https://github.com/harana/search/releases Electron Framework alone on macOS is 356MB. And this is reflected in memory usage as well.
  - rockdoe 3y ago
    The Tauri app just uses the system WKWebView. Memory usage can be misleading due to reporting, see e.g. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/5889 https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/5889
  - ciupicri 3y ago
    > There aren’t any releases here
- rockdoe 3y ago

015a 3y ago

Anyone who says the 8/256 Airs are throwaway machines has literally never used one. Full stop. You have an opinion about what 8gb of memory is capable of, which is influenced entirely by Intel CPUs and Windows. It hits different on the M1 platform and MacOS.

sgarland 3y ago

While they do swap more often than one with more RAM (obviously), at least with the M1s, the SSDs are stupidly fast, to the point that you barely notice it for day-to-day work. They nerfed the SSD on M2 base models; not sure about M3. For the record, on my base M1 Air, I generally have Safari, Spotify, and Alacritty open at any given time. I can also run Docker Desktop if necessary, although I prefer colima since I don’t need any of the bloat.