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Obviously piracy plays a large (maybe the largest?) role here, though I wouldn't overlook the modding use case. I would be quite interested in running titles I

Obviously piracy plays a large (maybe the largest?) role here, though I wouldn't overlook the modding use case. I would be quite interested in running titles I legitimately own on more powerful hardware where I can play around with the resolution and framerate freely (and would have already used Yuzu for this purpose by now, but for laziness).

ejj28 3y ago
This is the only reason I have Yuzu installed - I own Tears of the Kingdom legitimately but the Switch is such a piece of underpowered, overpriced junk that I'll never replay the game on real hardware, when I can instead be playing at 1440p and 60fps with all kinds of enhancements on PC.
nerdjon 3y ago
ok yeah that is valid. I just have a very hard time believing that, like you said, the majority of the use case is anything other than piracy. I mean almost every emulation software somewhere says that you should only emulate games you own, but how many of us actually still own our NES or gamecube games that we may have downloaded. But it's easier to justify given that stuff not being easily accessible anymore, we don't even have a proper eshop for emulation on the Switch.
- dns_snek 3y ago
  > I just have a very hard time believing that, like you said, the majority of the use case is anything other than piracy. Even if this is true, torrent clients are predominantly used for piracy too and they don't get sued. Neither are explicitly designed to facilitate it. Can anyone explain why Yuzu's case is different?
  - nerdjon 3y ago
    I feel like the difference here should be fairly obvious. One is an open protocol, and one is proprietary technology. AWS even at one point supported the protocol. I don't know if it's still a thing but it wasn't terribly uncommon to find Linux distros and other legitimate things shared through that protocol. Here we are talking about proprietary technology by Nintendo. On a system that they are currently selling and making money on. Given how much money they were bring in on patrion, it isn't much different than if they tried to make a physical knock off switch that could run switch games.
    - _aavaa_ 3y ago
      > it isn't much different than if they tried to make a physical knock off switch that could run switch games. Over in computer land we would call that "IBM PC Compatible".
      - mardef 3y ago
        I think it'd be closer to a Hackintosh.
      - 12_throw_away 3y ago
        Anyone else old enough to remember Connectix Virtual Game Station [1] for, like, MacOS 9 I think? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectix_Virtual_Game_Station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectix_Virtual_Game_Station
    - pcwalton 3y ago
      > Here we are talking about proprietary technology by Nintendo. x86 is also proprietary technology that Intel is currently making money on. Should Intel be able to sue AMD out of existence? NVIDIA's GPU specs are proprietary technology that NVIDIA is currently making money on. Should NVIDIA be able to shut down Nouveau? Flash is proprietary technology that Adobe still sells under the name Adobe Animate. Should Adobe be able to shut down Ruffle?
      - nerdjon 3y ago
        > x86 is also proprietary technology. Should Intel be able to sue AMD out of existence? AMD has a perpetual license from Intel to use the technology. Nouveau is different, you are still buying Nvidia cards just running an open source driver. Nvidia doesn't make money on their drivers, they make money on the graphics cards. Similar situation to Ruffle, Adobe never charged for the end user to download flash. It was free. Ruffle is an alternative to that. Also it is worth mentioning that flash is all but dead and this really just keeps it breathing. While both companies probably could make an argument to argue for a take down of both, they have no incentive to do it.
  - Wowfunhappy 3y ago
    A torrent client is data agnostic. It can be used to transfer any type of data over the internet. Yuzu is designed to play specific software which is quite difficult to acquire by legal means. Very little effort appears to have been spent on improving the UX of the legal process. (It is true that Yuzu can also play homebrew software. I think the situation would be different if Yuzu was tested exclusively on Homebrew, and only emulated features which homebrew software uses. But then no one would care about Yuzu. Yuzu has tons of game-specific fixes for commercial titles.)
    - boolemancer 3y ago
      > (It is true that Yuzu can also play homebrew software. I think the situation would be different if Yuzu was tested exclusively on Homebrew, and only emulated features which homebrew software uses. But then no one would care about Yuzu. Yuzu has tons of game-specific fixes for commercial titles.) Yuzu can also play games that were backed up by people who legitimately own the game. The legality of that might be questionable in the US, but not everywhere.
- rokkitmensch 3y ago
  Pretty great that you can still get functioning N64 THPS2 carts for...sixty bucks on Ebay.

ejj28 3y ago

This is the only reason I have Yuzu installed - I own Tears of the Kingdom legitimately but the Switch is such a piece of underpowered, overpriced junk that I'll never replay the game on real hardware, when I can instead be playing at 1440p and 60fps with all kinds of enhancements on PC.

nerdjon 3y ago

ok yeah that is valid. I just have a very hard time believing that, like you said, the majority of the use case is anything other than piracy. I mean almost every emulation software somewhere says that you should only emulate games you own, but how many of us actually still own our NES or gamecube games that we may have downloaded. But it's easier to justify given that stuff not being easily accessible anymore, we don't even have a proper eshop for emulation on the Switch.

dns_snek 3y ago
> I just have a very hard time believing that, like you said, the majority of the use case is anything other than piracy. Even if this is true, torrent clients are predominantly used for piracy too and they don't get sued. Neither are explicitly designed to facilitate it. Can anyone explain why Yuzu's case is different?
- nerdjon 3y ago
  I feel like the difference here should be fairly obvious. One is an open protocol, and one is proprietary technology. AWS even at one point supported the protocol. I don't know if it's still a thing but it wasn't terribly uncommon to find Linux distros and other legitimate things shared through that protocol. Here we are talking about proprietary technology by Nintendo. On a system that they are currently selling and making money on. Given how much money they were bring in on patrion, it isn't much different than if they tried to make a physical knock off switch that could run switch games.
  - _aavaa_ 3y ago
    > it isn't much different than if they tried to make a physical knock off switch that could run switch games. Over in computer land we would call that "IBM PC Compatible".
    - mardef 3y ago
      I think it'd be closer to a Hackintosh.
    - 12_throw_away 3y ago
      Anyone else old enough to remember Connectix Virtual Game Station [1] for, like, MacOS 9 I think? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectix_Virtual_Game_Station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectix_Virtual_Game_Station
  - pcwalton 3y ago
    > Here we are talking about proprietary technology by Nintendo. x86 is also proprietary technology that Intel is currently making money on. Should Intel be able to sue AMD out of existence? NVIDIA's GPU specs are proprietary technology that NVIDIA is currently making money on. Should NVIDIA be able to shut down Nouveau? Flash is proprietary technology that Adobe still sells under the name Adobe Animate. Should Adobe be able to shut down Ruffle?
    - nerdjon 3y ago
      > x86 is also proprietary technology. Should Intel be able to sue AMD out of existence? AMD has a perpetual license from Intel to use the technology. Nouveau is different, you are still buying Nvidia cards just running an open source driver. Nvidia doesn't make money on their drivers, they make money on the graphics cards. Similar situation to Ruffle, Adobe never charged for the end user to download flash. It was free. Ruffle is an alternative to that. Also it is worth mentioning that flash is all but dead and this really just keeps it breathing. While both companies probably could make an argument to argue for a take down of both, they have no incentive to do it.
- Wowfunhappy 3y ago
  A torrent client is data agnostic. It can be used to transfer any type of data over the internet. Yuzu is designed to play specific software which is quite difficult to acquire by legal means. Very little effort appears to have been spent on improving the UX of the legal process. (It is true that Yuzu can also play homebrew software. I think the situation would be different if Yuzu was tested exclusively on Homebrew, and only emulated features which homebrew software uses. But then no one would care about Yuzu. Yuzu has tons of game-specific fixes for commercial titles.)
  - boolemancer 3y ago
    > (It is true that Yuzu can also play homebrew software. I think the situation would be different if Yuzu was tested exclusively on Homebrew, and only emulated features which homebrew software uses. But then no one would care about Yuzu. Yuzu has tons of game-specific fixes for commercial titles.) Yuzu can also play games that were backed up by people who legitimately own the game. The legality of that might be questionable in the US, but not everywhere.
rokkitmensch 3y ago
Pretty great that you can still get functioning N64 THPS2 carts for...sixty bucks on Ebay.