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A big factor is how these machines age too, though. 4 years ago the 2020 M1 Macbook Air dropped, and it's still a fantastic computer today. On the other hand, I

A big factor is how these machines age too, though. 4 years ago the 2020 M1 Macbook Air dropped, and it's still a fantastic computer today. On the other hand, I don't think I would enjoy using a 4 year old Lenovo Ideapad today

HumblyTossed 3y ago
Why not? It benchmarks really good: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+5+5600U&id=4284 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+5+5600U&i... Here's the M1: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+M1+8+Core+3200+MHz&id=4104 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+M1+8+Core+320...
- moolcool 3y ago
  I'm just thinking more in terms of hardware. Trackpad, keyboard, display, hinges, ports, support, battery life-- all of those (in my experience) tend to either be poor out of the box or decay rapidly for many machines. I've used an "enterprise" HP laptop that's just a couple years old recently-- the battery is totally cooked and it feels like it's made out of takeout containers.
  - HumblyTossed 3y ago
    I'm a year and a half in and everything is running smooth. I still get a full workday out of the battery - and that's using Linux. That's plenty for me. It opens smooth. The keyboard is good - no deck flex. The screen is fine - even at only 300nits I don't need it brighter as I don't work in bright areas. I really really don't see how this won't last another 2 and half years or even more.
  - lelandbatey 3y ago
    Eh, I've been using a Dell Inspiron (the ones with aluminum chassis) since 2019. I've been using a 13 inch Dell model of the same type since 2016. They're great quality, great track pad (actual clicking, instead of haptic garbage of the MacBook) and quite reliable. I say this as someone who also owns and uses an M1 Air, and uses a 2019 MBP and a 2023 M1 for work. Apple isn't the only one making great machines that're nice to hold and nice to use.
JonChesterfield 3y ago
A 4 year old Lenovo is an eight core Ryzen with 32gb memory. Battery still lasts a day. I'm not sure there's anything significantly better available yet.
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  is a day a figure of speech or?
  - JonChesterfield 3y ago
    I charge it overnight and usually leave it unplugged for the day. It's rare for the laptop to give out before I do. T14s gen 1. Ymmv. I got the low power screen instead of a touch screen and it spends most of the day rendering Emacs from a server elsewhere. Browsers and local compile&run probably comes in around six hours. Some very cheap external monitors bring the runtime down to a couple of hours.
ftrobro 3y ago
I'm still using this beautiful 12 year old Samsung series 9 laptop. Unlike my 9 year old Macbook it still receives official security updates (Win 10) and can run any new application (Xcode refuses to install on the Macbook, too old). https://www.theverge.com/2012/7/16/3160289/samsung-series-9-review-13-inch-mid-2012 https://www.theverge.com/2012/7/16/3160289/samsung-series-9-...
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  can't you install linux on an older mac? (similar to how you installed win 10 on a 12 yr old laptop) for newer m1+ macs we still don't know the max age support
  - ftrobro 3y ago
    I probably can install Linux, but I'm fairly certain Xcode would still refuse to install... The upgrade from Win 7 to 10 was seamless, replacing MacOS with Linux would be like replacing the computer.
itsoktocry 3y ago
>I don't think I would enjoy using a 4 year old Lenovo Ideapad today Why not? I have a M1 Max supplied by my employer, and it's awesome. But guess what I use as my daily driver? An old t450s, running Ubuntu. Does everything I need, I can fix and replace anything in it (including the battery), and the keyboard is awesome. I think it's 10 years old. I mean, for most of the work I do my computer is just a client anyway.
King1st 3y ago
I have a Thinkpad T480 from 2018, bought it last year for $100. Peoples needs in a laptop are far lower than marketers would have you believe. Where as many M1 macs users are finding their laptops a struggle to do basic tasks. I use it for programming, 7 hours battery life with hot swappable battery. My fan spins up less often than the Apple silicon pros in the office which is nice because I hate fan noise.

HumblyTossed 3y ago

Why not? It benchmarks really good: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+5+5600U&id=4284 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+5+5600U&i... Here's the M1: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+M1+8+Core+3200+MHz&id=4104 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+M1+8+Core+320...

moolcool 3y ago
I'm just thinking more in terms of hardware. Trackpad, keyboard, display, hinges, ports, support, battery life-- all of those (in my experience) tend to either be poor out of the box or decay rapidly for many machines. I've used an "enterprise" HP laptop that's just a couple years old recently-- the battery is totally cooked and it feels like it's made out of takeout containers.
- HumblyTossed 3y ago
  I'm a year and a half in and everything is running smooth. I still get a full workday out of the battery - and that's using Linux. That's plenty for me. It opens smooth. The keyboard is good - no deck flex. The screen is fine - even at only 300nits I don't need it brighter as I don't work in bright areas. I really really don't see how this won't last another 2 and half years or even more.
- lelandbatey 3y ago
  Eh, I've been using a Dell Inspiron (the ones with aluminum chassis) since 2019. I've been using a 13 inch Dell model of the same type since 2016. They're great quality, great track pad (actual clicking, instead of haptic garbage of the MacBook) and quite reliable. I say this as someone who also owns and uses an M1 Air, and uses a 2019 MBP and a 2023 M1 for work. Apple isn't the only one making great machines that're nice to hold and nice to use.

JonChesterfield 3y ago

A 4 year old Lenovo is an eight core Ryzen with 32gb memory. Battery still lasts a day. I'm not sure there's anything significantly better available yet.

Moldoteck 3y ago
is a day a figure of speech or?
- JonChesterfield 3y ago
  I charge it overnight and usually leave it unplugged for the day. It's rare for the laptop to give out before I do. T14s gen 1. Ymmv. I got the low power screen instead of a touch screen and it spends most of the day rendering Emacs from a server elsewhere. Browsers and local compile&run probably comes in around six hours. Some very cheap external monitors bring the runtime down to a couple of hours.

ftrobro 3y ago

I'm still using this beautiful 12 year old Samsung series 9 laptop. Unlike my 9 year old Macbook it still receives official security updates (Win 10) and can run any new application (Xcode refuses to install on the Macbook, too old). https://www.theverge.com/2012/7/16/3160289/samsung-series-9-review-13-inch-mid-2012 https://www.theverge.com/2012/7/16/3160289/samsung-series-9-...

Moldoteck 3y ago
can't you install linux on an older mac? (similar to how you installed win 10 on a 12 yr old laptop) for newer m1+ macs we still don't know the max age support
- ftrobro 3y ago
  I probably can install Linux, but I'm fairly certain Xcode would still refuse to install... The upgrade from Win 7 to 10 was seamless, replacing MacOS with Linux would be like replacing the computer.

itsoktocry 3y ago

>I don't think I would enjoy using a 4 year old Lenovo Ideapad today Why not? I have a M1 Max supplied by my employer, and it's awesome. But guess what I use as my daily driver? An old t450s, running Ubuntu. Does everything I need, I can fix and replace anything in it (including the battery), and the keyboard is awesome. I think it's 10 years old. I mean, for most of the work I do my computer is just a client anyway.

King1st 3y ago

I have a Thinkpad T480 from 2018, bought it last year for $100. Peoples needs in a laptop are far lower than marketers would have you believe. Where as many M1 macs users are finding their laptops a struggle to do basic tasks. I use it for programming, 7 hours battery life with hot swappable battery. My fan spins up less often than the Apple silicon pros in the office which is nice because I hate fan noise.