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It's on par with normal pricing from MS.

by kube-system 3y ago

Rebelgecko 3y ago
How much do they charge to upgrade from 8GB to 16GB? Or 32?
- kube-system 3y ago
  On the Surface Pro 9, it is $300 to upgrade from 8 to 16GB. To go to 32GB, they require you to choose a higher tier processor which brings the normal retail price to $2599, but it currently has a $500 discount, so the total is $2099.
  - Rebelgecko 3y ago
    Wow that's crazy. On my framework I think the same jump cost like $30
    - kube-system 3y ago
      Not surprising. Framework has a wildly different business model than mainstream computer manufacturers. And if we re-address the "999 for a laptop with 8 gbs of ram in 2024" comment above, it is worth noting that the Framework 13 also starts with 8GB of RAM at $1049.
    - paulmd 3y ago
      Framework isn’t using LPDDR5/5X like the surface or the macbook. LPDDR adds to the cost quite a bit, as does the advanced packaging apple uses etc. But it’s the only way to keep pushing bandwidth forward, especially for graphics/iGPU, and keep pushing power down. Socketed memory inherently is much slower and less efficient, same reason consoles don’t come with ram sticks. AMD’s solution is a package with cache instead, to try and reduce the amount of data they have to push around. But that adds a bunch of cost and still isn’t as efficient - but it lets you keep scaling socketed memory a little farther. Can’t help but feel like the days are numbered though, there isn’t an infinite amount of runway left for socketed memory.
pquki4 3y ago
Honestly I don't think it is worth bringing Surface devices into the discussion. Microsoft isn't even trying. They only care about enterprise customers and are not competitive in the consumer market at all. Maybe look at some high-end Lenovo or Dell laptops.
- kube-system 3y ago
  Okay, let's look at them. I'll pick the second to the top tier models, since that's what the Air is for Apple: Dell Latitude 5440 - i5-1345U, 8 GB DDR4, 256 GB PCIe NVMe - $1,099.00 https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/latitude-5440-laptop/spd/latitude-14-5440-laptop/s113l5440usvp https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/latitude-5440-l... ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 - i5-1335U, 8 GB LPDDR5, 256 GB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe, $959.40 after coupon https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=21EXCTO1WWUS1 https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bun... Prices for premium laptops... are premium, and the strip-down models start with modest specs.

It's on par with normal pricing from MS.

Rebelgecko 3y ago

How much do they charge to upgrade from 8GB to 16GB? Or 32?

kube-system 3y ago
On the Surface Pro 9, it is $300 to upgrade from 8 to 16GB. To go to 32GB, they require you to choose a higher tier processor which brings the normal retail price to $2599, but it currently has a $500 discount, so the total is $2099.
- Rebelgecko 3y ago
  Wow that's crazy. On my framework I think the same jump cost like $30
  - kube-system 3y ago
    Not surprising. Framework has a wildly different business model than mainstream computer manufacturers. And if we re-address the "999 for a laptop with 8 gbs of ram in 2024" comment above, it is worth noting that the Framework 13 also starts with 8GB of RAM at $1049.
  - paulmd 3y ago
    Framework isn’t using LPDDR5/5X like the surface or the macbook. LPDDR adds to the cost quite a bit, as does the advanced packaging apple uses etc. But it’s the only way to keep pushing bandwidth forward, especially for graphics/iGPU, and keep pushing power down. Socketed memory inherently is much slower and less efficient, same reason consoles don’t come with ram sticks. AMD’s solution is a package with cache instead, to try and reduce the amount of data they have to push around. But that adds a bunch of cost and still isn’t as efficient - but it lets you keep scaling socketed memory a little farther. Can’t help but feel like the days are numbered though, there isn’t an infinite amount of runway left for socketed memory.

pquki4 3y ago

Honestly I don't think it is worth bringing Surface devices into the discussion. Microsoft isn't even trying. They only care about enterprise customers and are not competitive in the consumer market at all. Maybe look at some high-end Lenovo or Dell laptops.

kube-system 3y ago
Okay, let's look at them. I'll pick the second to the top tier models, since that's what the Air is for Apple: Dell Latitude 5440 - i5-1345U, 8 GB DDR4, 256 GB PCIe NVMe - $1,099.00 https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/latitude-5440-laptop/spd/latitude-14-5440-laptop/s113l5440usvp https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/latitude-5440-l... ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 - i5-1335U, 8 GB LPDDR5, 256 GB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe, $959.40 after coupon https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=21EXCTO1WWUS1 https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bun... Prices for premium laptops... are premium, and the strip-down models start with modest specs.