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Your reply is rather hyperbolic.

by Tycho 3y ago

ramesh31 3y ago
> Your reply is rather hyperbolic. I had a grocery store clerk eyeballing my checkout yesterday with absolute amazement at the "luxury" of buying TWO boxes of name brand cream cheese. We live in two completely seperate worlds at this point, and I don't think you have any idea how bad things have gotten for the bottom 90% in this country earning <$100k.
- scruple 3y ago
  I'm also feeling reluctant to buy name brand anything in a grocery store these days, except Wild Turkey 101 I guess.
- gambiting 3y ago
  It's not just US - there is a very interesting article in the British Guardian on this very topic at the moment, how people on £60k-100k are still struggling, even though this was always traditionally a very decent pay, nothing super fancy but definitely a nice middle class income that would let you pay off your house, have a modest car and go on holidays once a year. Now everything has exploded in price so much that people earning £70k get nearly nothing left at the end of the month after paying their mortgage/rent, bills, childcare, plus some money for fuel to just get to work. I understand that they are all "privileged" in the sense that they can still afford all of those things while many people in this country can't, but the margins are getting thinner and thinner. People can't save up, they can't buy new stuff(which hurts the economy even further), they spend less money on their kids.....it's not great. Like, me and my wife have a very decent combined income of over 100k, but even then - 10 years ago I would have thought that with that kind of money we'd be living like kings, but in reality it just lets us save some money at the end of the month and not a whole lot else. If we actually wanted to move up from our 900sqf house or get a slightly newer car, it would eat up into all of that quickly. I think we've reached a point now where I literally don't understand who in this country is buying all these new cars and goes on holidays twice a year(forget expensive ones - I mean a few days in Spain with a budget agency). And I definitely don't understand how a teacher on £27k a year(or a nurse) is expected to make ends meet. It feels like an erosion of society from the very core, where unless you are in the top 1% you just aren't even playing the same game.
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  - helboi4 3y ago
    As a single 25 year old (UK), I don't save much, I don't have a car, I have rent but no mortgage, no dependants. I don't feel very rich, but I do go on two holidays a year. Though does it even count if I crash on people's floors or stay in a hostel? The idea of staying in a hotel is insane to me, which probably says a lot. I feel like I am the only person in my friendship group who can afford things like a decent place to live and good quality groceries. This is all from me working hard to move into Software engineering from a languages and humanities degree. Honestly feel that the system is severely broken if the only way to afford a decent quality of life is to get into one of the most lucrative professions out there. Most of the people in my job have been screwed over by the market and have way more rent than me as well, so are probably not even able to do the things I can. I feel a lot of pressure to get into FAANG or something in order to hope to ever get a house in my lifetime. Especially since my landlord threatened to put up my rent by like £400 the other day and my boss told me my raises will never keep up with inflation. But I'm a humanities person. I don't see myself becoming some sort of 10x engineer without it making me miserable. So, since the absolutely fucked announcements from my landlord and boss, I'm thinking of any way to leave this economic shithole of a country.
    - Tycho 3y ago
      I was in the same position as you when I was 25. But I was very hopeful about the future. You don’t need to be in FAANG to do very well for yourself. It worked out well financially.
      - helboi4 3y ago
        Yeah i was really enjoying working at this company and making progress at my pace, as a smart person but a non-engineering-wizz. I was feeling optimistic and letting go of the pressure to get into at top tech company. This was allowing me to put in my best at work (which was making me improve a lot), and give myself permission to fully enjoy my arts and humanities hobbies outside of work rather than constantly guilting myself into using all my time to catch up to STEM people. But now they have told me my raises will never keep up with inflation, I feel like I have to do better and spend all my evenings trying to learn everything as quickly as possible with no patience. How did you deal with this?
polygamous_bat 3y ago
Hyperbole is often (successfully) used as a literary device to express sentiments. Is there a sentiment expressed in the parent comment you don’t agree with? Then let’s talk about that instead of the form of the argument.
- helboi4 3y ago
  This is a great rebuke when someone tries to skirt around your point when you use hyperbole. Will be keeping this one.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    If you have to use hyperbole (aka lies, fantasies, or otherwise misrepresentations of reality), then you have no point. Hyperbole is for good storytelling, not nuanced discussion or argument.
    - helboi4 3y ago
      If you think when people use obvious hyperbole they are lying to you, then you are just dimwitted mate. Not my problem. Go back to school.
- Tycho 3y ago
  I disagree with the doomsaying and making things out to be much worse than they actually are. I don’t think it’s a good thing to do.
  - polygamous_bat 3y ago
    Once again, it’s a literary device; you’re doing the same thing when you call it “doomsaying”. The goal of it is to evoke a certain emotion out of the reader, which is fine in a discussion. Otherwise any conversation would be dry as a doctor’s report for gastric issues.
    - Tycho 3y ago

Your reply is rather hyperbolic.

by Tycho 3y ago

Your reply is rather hyperbolic.

> Your reply is rather hyperbolic. I had a grocery store clerk eyeballing my checkout yesterday with absolute amazement at the "luxury" of buying TWO boxes of name brand cream cheese. We live in two completely seperate worlds at this point, and I don't think you have any idea how bad things have gotten for the bottom 90% in this country earning <$100k.

scruple 3y ago
I'm also feeling reluctant to buy name brand anything in a grocery store these days, except Wild Turkey 101 I guess.
gambiting 3y ago
It's not just US - there is a very interesting article in the British Guardian on this very topic at the moment, how people on £60k-100k are still struggling, even though this was always traditionally a very decent pay, nothing super fancy but definitely a nice middle class income that would let you pay off your house, have a modest car and go on holidays once a year. Now everything has exploded in price so much that people earning £70k get nearly nothing left at the end of the month after paying their mortgage/rent, bills, childcare, plus some money for fuel to just get to work. I understand that they are all "privileged" in the sense that they can still afford all of those things while many people in this country can't, but the margins are getting thinner and thinner. People can't save up, they can't buy new stuff(which hurts the economy even further), they spend less money on their kids.....it's not great. Like, me and my wife have a very decent combined income of over 100k, but even then - 10 years ago I would have thought that with that kind of money we'd be living like kings, but in reality it just lets us save some money at the end of the month and not a whole lot else. If we actually wanted to move up from our 900sqf house or get a slightly newer car, it would eat up into all of that quickly. I think we've reached a point now where I literally don't understand who in this country is buying all these new cars and goes on holidays twice a year(forget expensive ones - I mean a few days in Spain with a budget agency). And I definitely don't understand how a teacher on £27k a year(or a nurse) is expected to make ends meet. It feels like an erosion of society from the very core, where unless you are in the top 1% you just aren't even playing the same game.
- deleted 3y ago
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- helboi4 3y ago
  As a single 25 year old (UK), I don't save much, I don't have a car, I have rent but no mortgage, no dependants. I don't feel very rich, but I do go on two holidays a year. Though does it even count if I crash on people's floors or stay in a hostel? The idea of staying in a hotel is insane to me, which probably says a lot. I feel like I am the only person in my friendship group who can afford things like a decent place to live and good quality groceries. This is all from me working hard to move into Software engineering from a languages and humanities degree. Honestly feel that the system is severely broken if the only way to afford a decent quality of life is to get into one of the most lucrative professions out there. Most of the people in my job have been screwed over by the market and have way more rent than me as well, so are probably not even able to do the things I can. I feel a lot of pressure to get into FAANG or something in order to hope to ever get a house in my lifetime. Especially since my landlord threatened to put up my rent by like £400 the other day and my boss told me my raises will never keep up with inflation. But I'm a humanities person. I don't see myself becoming some sort of 10x engineer without it making me miserable. So, since the absolutely fucked announcements from my landlord and boss, I'm thinking of any way to leave this economic shithole of a country.
  - Tycho 3y ago
    I was in the same position as you when I was 25. But I was very hopeful about the future. You don’t need to be in FAANG to do very well for yourself. It worked out well financially.
    - helboi4 3y ago
      Yeah i was really enjoying working at this company and making progress at my pace, as a smart person but a non-engineering-wizz. I was feeling optimistic and letting go of the pressure to get into at top tech company. This was allowing me to put in my best at work (which was making me improve a lot), and give myself permission to fully enjoy my arts and humanities hobbies outside of work rather than constantly guilting myself into using all my time to catch up to STEM people. But now they have told me my raises will never keep up with inflation, I feel like I have to do better and spend all my evenings trying to learn everything as quickly as possible with no patience. How did you deal with this?

polygamous_bat 3y ago

Hyperbole is often (successfully) used as a literary device to express sentiments. Is there a sentiment expressed in the parent comment you don’t agree with? Then let’s talk about that instead of the form of the argument.

helboi4 3y ago
This is a great rebuke when someone tries to skirt around your point when you use hyperbole. Will be keeping this one.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  If you have to use hyperbole (aka lies, fantasies, or otherwise misrepresentations of reality), then you have no point. Hyperbole is for good storytelling, not nuanced discussion or argument.
  - helboi4 3y ago
    If you think when people use obvious hyperbole they are lying to you, then you are just dimwitted mate. Not my problem. Go back to school.
Tycho 3y ago
I disagree with the doomsaying and making things out to be much worse than they actually are. I don’t think it’s a good thing to do.
- polygamous_bat 3y ago
  Once again, it’s a literary device; you’re doing the same thing when you call it “doomsaying”. The goal of it is to evoke a certain emotion out of the reader, which is fine in a discussion. Otherwise any conversation would be dry as a doctor’s report for gastric issues.
  - Tycho 3y ago